COVID-19 / Coronavirus Discussion

[Mark Twain]

15 minutes ago, spener90 said:

I’m not doubting you, just want to make that clear. But how many beds are available in total? I know many small towns have extremely small hospitals as it stands and are not prepared for really any kind of surge.

Praying for you all.

Staffed beds?  They've run out of staff, which is why it has failed and they need the additional healthcare workers that staff the field hospital to handle the overflow. My state lost 2000 nurses during the last 18 months to burnout, lucrative travel nursing contracts, promotions off of the frontline floor. 

[ravenb99]

22 minutes ago, exciter1 said:

Crazy, the non-vaxxed nurses getting fired can get a sign-on bonus somewhere else.

this was kind of what started all the staff shortages last year.   When the hospitals laid off a lot of employees from all the non covid stuff they cancelled they got jobs as traveling road nurses at 3x the pay.   By the time I had my hospital stays start up until now have heard at least 3 say they get paid $20 an hour and roaming travelers get $60 an hour.  Hard to get local staff hired at that especially with what they are dealing with.  Had multiple nurses and techs while I was in that had taken jobs and left there current positions as they wouldn't compensate them or give them some sort of raise.  So they left and got hired in other regions considerably higher.   Probably 90% of my staff other than the actual doctors / specialists were not from here.

Shortage of beds story.  Neighbor of ours got rear ended by someone full speed.  Hit his car into the next car.  One of them had a pretty back neck injury.  They started treating her on the scene and girl asks why aren't we going to the hospital.  Told her there was no room there to treat her and they would do everything necessary so she could make an appt with her local doctor.  

One of my doctors said we might be able to try coming off the Keppra sooner than the 2 years but definitely not now.  She was like if you had an episode now and had to go to ER you wouldn't even be seen.  Said we'll try it later down the road during a drop off just in case.  

 

[junkrigger]

She was like if you had an episode now and had to go to ER you wouldn't even be seen.
 

This is exactly why people are getting upset and will be getting downright hostile toward unvaccinated folks. Justifiably?

$20 an hour for RN? I’m shocked if so and surprised you have any nurses there at all.


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[fuzzy_bricks]

49 minutes ago, junkrigger said:

That takes guts.

Everybody wants to get paid.  Got to make hay when the sun is shining.

Not all nurses are equal depending on the amount of education and if they've passed all their boards.  So some will get paid more and are more employable since they're allowed to do more stuff.

[elmaslıefendi]

In the meantime Germany closed up 35 hospitals since May of last year. Media is pushing a possible collapse of our health care system since the start of this pandemic, but it doesn't add up, government action doesn't match these predictions.

We have plenty of capacity, apparently we can afford to close all these hospitals. In June the "Covid-hospital" in Berlin which was built in a hurry last year exlusively for Covid-patients was demolished again, because there was just no use for the 500 care beds. Super-modern, good equipment, vent for every bed, but in the end it was just a waste of millions of euros. There's only a handful of reports on that from government media though, as such reports really slow down society's will to get the vaccine voluntarily. The agenda needs every bit of support it can get because:

The remaining unvaccinated 25% of the population in Germany will likely stay unvaccinated as there's some serious trust issues towards the government. There is also a number of people who already got their first shot, but choose to stop now, as it suddenly turned out they may need a 3rd, 4th, 5th etc. booster every 6 months or so. Initially they said it'd be done after the 2 appointments & that the vaccinated will get their freedom back (at least partially) but this promise wasn't kept for long. The only way they can achieve full vaccination is by forcing everyone indirectly, which is exactly what they're doing, beginning from October you have to pay for your own tests (20€/test) & without, you practically can't do anything. No cinema, no shopping, no libraries etc. 

Most people can't afford a 20€ test which is only valid for 24 hours. If you want to go somewhere every day, that's 600€/month/person. Now add that up for a family. No chance, no choice.

Let's see how it'll all roll out. What I find interesting is that the situation differs so much from country to country, it's not like one is covid & one is the plague, it's the same virus. I can't find an explanation for it.

Edited August 25, 2021 by elmaslıefendi

[junkrigger]

This day has arrived, the first time for any state in the USA, unsurprisingly in a state with one of the lowest vaccination rates. Arkansas runs out of ICU beds for COVID patients. It does not seem to clarify if this means they are reserving beds for non-COVID patients or have no beds for anyone, a very important different situation, and a glaring missing detail. The statement if taken literally would suggest there are beds or they will make space for other patients and not any for COVID patients, in my opinion the right stance and one I believe medical scientists in charge of such decisions will begin being forced to make. So will COVID patients who are currently in ICU beds begin getting bumped out also? This is an awful position to put people in and even more so considering it is completely avoidable now. An important distinction also not mentioned is that of course some ICU beds must be available for children COVID patients., I’m not an expert but my guess is they will begin bumping COVID patients who are in ICU beds when a child with COVID or other patient needs care. Sad place to be in for sure.

https://apnews.com/article/health-arkansas-coronavirus-pandemic-76b5c9eb07b489dd94209551fea74024


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[Mathew]

2 hours ago, junkrigger said:

This day has arrived, the first time for any state in the USA, unsurprisingly in a state with one of the lowest vaccination rates. Arkansas runs out of ICU beds for COVID patients.

Arkansas has a total of 1,166 ICU beds. Half of those are taken up by “virus” patients. That means 583 beds are actually filled with Covid patients. Now tell me in a state that has a population of a little over 3 million people does that really sound all that bad?  Just trying to put some perspective on things. Maybe Biden should have sunk some of the two trillion “stimulus”into more ICU beds and staffing. Or maybe Pfizer could donate some of the moolah they’re earning to providing care. Might go a little ways towards earning public support for vaccines 🤷‍♂️

Edited August 25, 2021 by Mathew

[elmaslıefendi]

18 minutes ago, Mathew said:

Arkansas has a total of 1,166 ICU beds. Half of those are taken up by “virus” patients. That means 583 beds are actually filled with Covid patients. Now tell me in a state that has a population of a little over 3 million people does that really sound all that bad? 

If the figures are right, this equals 0.00019% of the population. If you ask me that's more than an acceptable & justifiable reason to restrict the other 99.99980% from living their lives.

[BricksBrotha]

 

 full interview here.

[HappyHawkeye]

48 minutes ago, Mathew said:

Arkansas has a total of 1,166 ICU beds. Half of those are taken up by “virus” patients. That means 583 beds are actually filled with Covid patients. Now tell me in a state that has a population of a little over 3 million people does that really sound all that bad?  Just trying to put some perspective on things. 

Either you don't understand the significance of what a lack of ICU beds means or you're one of the "what's a couple hundred more deaths matter?" kind of guy. Either way, gross.

 

51 minutes ago, Mathew said:

Maybe Biden should have sunk some of the two trillion “stimulus”into more ICU beds and staffing. Or maybe Pfizer could donate some of the moolah they’re earning to providing care. Might go a little ways towards earning public support for vaccines 🤷‍♂️

This.....this is not how healthcare works. Even if it did you are suggesting a far more expensive and less effective solution when the issue could be better mitigated by more people getting a $20 shot. 

[redcell]

1 hour ago, Mathew said:

Arkansas has a total of 1,166 ICU beds. Half of those are taken up by “virus” patients. That means 583 beds are actually filled with Covid patients. Now tell me in a state that has a population of a little over 3 million people does that really sound all that bad?  Just trying to put some perspective on things. Maybe Biden should have sunk some of the two trillion “stimulus”into more ICU beds and staffing. Or maybe Pfizer could donate some of the moolah they’re earning to providing care. Might go a little ways towards earning public support for vaccines 🤷‍♂️

So, the public would be more supportive of getting vaccinated if Pfizer and/or Biden sunk more money into providing care?  You really are a special kind of stupid.

[Mathew]

23 minutes ago, HappyHawkeye said:

Either you don't understand the significance of what a lack of ICU beds means or you're one of the "what's a couple hundred more deaths matter?" kind of guy. Either way, gross.

How many of those “virus” patients are people over the age of 60 and or with pre existing conditions?  While we’re at it let’s blame all those people with cancer for smoking or the obese for over eating. The finger pointing at the unvaccinated is insane. You and many others are deluded by the psychos running this shitshow. 

Edited August 25, 2021 by Mathew

[KvHulk]

16 minutes ago, redcell said:

So, the public would be more supportive of getting vaccinated if Pfizer and/or Biden sunk more money into providing care?  You really are a special kind of stupid.

That's putting it mildly.

[iahawks550]

I have heard, at least here locally, children with RSV are many of the cases in ICU. It's especially bad right now.

[Mathew]

Just now, iahawks550 said:

I have heard, at least here locally, children with RSV are many of the cases in ICU. It's especially bad right now.

So it’s the children’s fault for not being vaccinated? Oh wait it’s all the vaccinated people carrying a full viral load that were told by the CDC they could take their masks off back in May and June. 🤷‍♂️

[iahawks550]

4 minutes ago, Mathew said:

So it’s the children’s fault for not being vaccinated? Oh wait it’s all the vaccinated people carrying a full viral load that were told by the CDC they could take their masks off back in May and June. 🤷‍♂️

No, RSV is not Covid, and has nothing to do with Covid, but is taking a lot of bedspace in the children's ICU.

[exciter1]

5 minutes ago, iahawks550 said:

No, RSV is not Covid, and has nothing to do with Covid, but is taking a lot of bedspace in the children's ICU.

My twin nieces just got over a battle with RSV.  It's going around too.

[Mathew]

15 minutes ago, iahawks550 said:

No, RSV is not Covid, and has nothing to do with Covid, but is taking a lot of bedspace in the children's ICU.

Ok then that should be a focus. Children first, always. If some chronically sick, unvaccinated 70 year old man with COPD has covid then I’m sorry, he’s out of luck. 

[redcell]

41 minutes ago, Mathew said:

Ok then that should be a focus. Children first, always. If some chronically sick, unvaccinated 70 year old man with COPD has covid then I’m sorry, he’s out of luck. 

What if a child has a terminal illness with 0% chance of surviving more than 1 month, but the 70-year old man with COPD has a substantial chance of recovering and living for another 10 years?  Is he still out of luck in your world?

[Mathew]

18 minutes ago, redcell said:

What if a child has a terminal illness with 0% chance of surviving more than 1 month, but the 70-year old man with COPD has a substantial chance of recovering and living for another 10 years?  Is he still out of luck in your world?

Yep. Your example is stupid to be honest. The chronically ill guy will most likely die sooner than later. Give the kid a fighting chance. 

[redcell]

4 minutes ago, Mathew said:

Yep. Your example is stupid to be honest. The chronically ill guy will most likely die sooner than later. Give the kid a fighting chance. 

Talk about stupid.

[keith1833]

6 minutes ago, Mathew said:

Yep. Your example is stupid to be honest. The chronically ill guy will most likely die sooner than later. Give the kid a fighting chance. 

I wouldn't call it a stupid example, but more info is needed before making that type of decision.

We lost our son several years ago at 6 weeks old and we knew he was not going to survive from the time he was born.  He was in the NICU for those 6 weeks, not the ICU.  Therefore it's a different area of the hospital and different doctors involved.

[CosmicSpeed]

9 minutes ago, Mathew said:

Yep. Your example is stupid to be honest. The chronically ill guy will most likely die sooner than later. Give the kid a fighting chance. 

But yet, to mask a child under the age for a vaccine, or for the population to take any preventative measure to prevent the spread isn't the same thing?

[Mathew]

24 minutes ago, CosmicSpeed said:

But yet, to mask a child under the age for a vaccine, or for the population to take any preventative measure to prevent the spread isn't the same thing?

We’re not even talking about a kid with covid at this point. Red brought up an inane example of a terminally ill child vs a sick old man.  He’s actually arguing in favor of the sick old man who didn’t get his vax. But Reds a lawyer so it doesn’t surprise me. 

Edited August 25, 2021 by Mathew

[redcell]

15 minutes ago, Mathew said:

Yes, that’s how it goes when talking to you.  You must be a lousy lawyer because you spend a lot of time on this thread and not chasing ambulances.  

Through hard work, dedication, and perseverance, I have managed to overcome the shortcomings in your mind to do ok.

29 minutes ago, keith1833 said:

I wouldn't call it a stupid example, but more info is needed before making that type of decision.

We lost our son several years ago at 6 weeks old and we knew he was not going to survive from the time he was born.  He was in the NICU for those 6 weeks, not the ICU.  Therefore it's a different area of the hospital and different doctors involved.

I'm sorry to hear that...I can't imagine how awful that is to experience that.