Bold-Arrow Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 ok folks, lets bring it down a couple of notches with the personal attacks. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennugsmello Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Not sure if this has been said, but as I understand it Covid ICU is different than regular ICU. In most hospitals the Covid area is separated. When news reports the "ICU" beds are full, that usually means the Covid ICU beds, not the necessarily standard ICU beds. With that said some standard ICU beds are also reaching capacity, but mainly because they've cut their numbers due to staffing shortages. I could be wrong, just some information I've gotten from associates wo work in healthcare. I wish the news would specify these differences to give us better context. But I guess that is not their job... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcell Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 1 minute ago, dennugsmello said: Not sure if this has been said, but as I understand it Covid ICU is different than regular ICU. In most hospitals the Covid area is separated. When news reports the "ICU" beds are full, that usually means the Covid ICU beds, not the necessarily standard ICU beds. With that said some standard ICU beds are also reaching capacity, but mainly because they've cut their numbers due to staffing shortages. I could be wrong, just some information I've gotten from associates wo work in healthcare. I wish the news would specify these differences to give us better context. But I guess that is not their job... That sounds right. We had to take our daughter to the ER a few weeks ago (cue: Mathew's reply about how I'm a terrible parent and a lawyer) and it was pretty clear from talking with one of the intake people that COVID patients go in one direction and everyone else goes in another. 6 minutes ago, Bold-Arrow said: ok folks, lets bring it down a couple of notches with the personal attacks. Come on dad, you're always spoiling the fun. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpinemaps Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Come on dad, you're always spoiling the fun.I was ready to put the thread on time out, so you’re lucky lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkrigger Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Hearing that ICU and emergency care is being rationed for COVID patients and reserved for children especially and other folks emergency needs does make me personally feel much better and have faith in our medical professionals doing the right thing and is exactly what I would expect from medical science in a just society. Although I do still have concern for all those who are having important treatments and procedures delayed.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravenb99 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 (edited) 46 minutes ago, dennugsmello said: Not sure if this has been said, but as I understand it Covid ICU is different than regular ICU. In most hospitals the Covid area is separated. When news reports the "ICU" beds are full, that usually means the Covid ICU beds, not the necessarily standard ICU beds. With that said some standard ICU beds are also reaching capacity, but mainly because they've cut their numbers due to staffing shortages. I could be wrong, just some information I've gotten from associates wo work in healthcare. I wish the news would specify these differences to give us better context. But I guess that is not their job... from a few hospitals I follow in Georgia (still can't put state abbreviation on BPer, always ****, assume it thinks your typing ***) and FL from areas I've lived in about 28%-35% were covid related ICU (and rising), the rest were for normal ICU needs. That was always the warning though its not just covid that matters as normal daily accidents and illnesses are still occurring. Thankful to not be having the neurological stuff I had back in April now. Most are tracking Hospitalized / ICU / Ventilators for vaxxed / unvaxxed now. Those numbers are going up substantially. Highest I saw was 15% / 10% / 10% for vaxxed in the 3 categories. Originally was 1-3%. Next should start tracking vaxx date as well as Dec-Feb vs last few months would be interesting to see the differences. Edited August 25, 2021 by ravenb99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loghamel Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 On 8/20/2021 at 5:32 PM, Adam1975 said: This 100%. I do not understand the people that don't want the vaccine because it is still under FDA emergency use authorization or don't trust it but then have no issue taking Regeneron (also approved only under the FDA emergency use authorization) when they do get Covid. This applied to my sister-in-law's family and she was never able to adequately explain why one emergency use authorization was okay but not the other one. This. 100%. I couldn't care less if 'you' get the vaccine. I do care if a loved one of mine doesn't. I struggled a bit with how I should handle it and decided I would simply tell those that I cared for that I thought they should get the vaccine. That's it. No pressure or arguing. Just a one sentence statement. I felt if one of them died and I hadn't at least told them I felt they should get one, I'd always regret it. My brother, parents and best friend all said, "thanks, but no". A few weeks later when it seemed this Delta variant was a different beast, my brother decided he'd get it. Because he did, my parents decided to. I hadn't said a single word about it since the first time I mentioned it. I thought I'd try my best friend one more time, but he flat out said, "no, never". He said he doesn't trust it. I asked him which part, hoping I might alleviate any concerns he might have and he said, "all of it." This is my best friend of 40 years. Literally been best friends since the first day of kindergarten when I saw a boy picking on him and shoved the kid into a urinal. I've seen him do coke, meth, acid, shrooms, ecstacy, MJ, etc. Pretty much every popular drug known to man. I've also seem him huff paint, vcr head cleaner, and gasoline. But he doesn't trust the vaccine. I just don't get it. 4 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonkalin Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Loghamel said: This. 100%. I couldn't care less if 'you' get the vaccine. I do care if a loved one of mine doesn't. I struggled a bit with how I should handle it and decided I would simply tell those that I cared for that I thought they should get the vaccine. That's it. No pressure or arguing. Just a one sentence statement. I felt if one of them died and I hadn't at least told them I felt they should get one, I'd always regret it. My brother, parents and best friend all said, "thanks, but no". A few weeks later when it seemed this Delta variant was a different beast, my brother decided he'd get it. Because he did, my parents decided to. I hadn't said a single word about it since the first time I mentioned it. I thought I'd try my best friend one more time, but he flat out said, "no, never". He said he doesn't trust it. I asked him which part, hoping I might alleviate any concerns he might have and he said, "all of it." This is my best friend of 40 years. Literally been best friends since the first day of kindergarten when I saw a boy picking on him and shoved the kid into a urinal. I've seen him do coke, meth, acid, shrooms, ecstacy, MJ, etc. Pretty much every popular drug known to man. I've also seem him huff paint, vcr head cleaner, and gasoline. But he doesn't trust the vaccine. I just don't get it. I don't say this to mean any disrespect to your friend. But it sounds like Covid may be the least of his problems. But I totally understand your frustration and/or confusion as to his thought processes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loghamel Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Gonkalin said: I don't say this to mean any disrespect to your friend. But it sounds like Covid may be the least of his problems. But I totally understand your frustration and/or confusion as to his thought processes. My fear for him, for the most part, is because of what I've seen him do to his body the past 40 years. There's no way his lungs are fully functional at this point. He's been to the ER 4 or 5 times the past few years, suffering from bronchitis. The other part of the equation is his BMI is around 38. He's a walking poster of someone who should get the vaccine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exciter1 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 32 minutes ago, Loghamel said: This. 100%. I couldn't care less if 'you' get the vaccine. I do care if a loved one of mine doesn't. I struggled a bit with how I should handle it and decided I would simply tell those that I cared for that I thought they should get the vaccine. That's it. No pressure or arguing. Just a one sentence statement. I felt if one of them died and I hadn't at least told them I felt they should get one, I'd always regret it. My brother, parents and best friend all said, "thanks, but no". A few weeks later when it seemed this Delta variant was a different beast, my brother decided he'd get it. Because he did, my parents decided to. I hadn't said a single word about it since the first time I mentioned it. I thought I'd try my best friend one more time, but he flat out said, "no, never". He said he doesn't trust it. I asked him which part, hoping I might alleviate any concerns he might have and he said, "all of it." This is my best friend of 40 years. Literally been best friends since the first day of kindergarten when I saw a boy picking on him and shoved the kid into a urinal. I've seen him do coke, meth, acid, shrooms, ecstacy, MJ, etc. Pretty much every popular drug known to man. I've also seem him huff paint, vcr head cleaner, and gasoline. But he doesn't trust the vaccine. I just don't get it. Sounds like he's bullet proof. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
$20 on joe vs dan Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 57 minutes ago, Loghamel said: I've seen him do coke, meth, acid, shrooms, ecstacy, MJ, etc. Pretty much every popular drug known to man. I've also seem him huff paint, vcr head cleaner, and gasoline. But he doesn't trust the vaccine. I just don't get it. the lack of a rational consistent argument is what bothers me the most. That's how you know it's more political than rational. At least the Antivaxxers who don't believe in ANY vaccines are consistent in their arguments. I can at least respect that. I have little respect for folks who don't want the vaccine for political reasons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bricklectic Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Loghamel said: This. 100%. I couldn't care less if 'you' get the vaccine. I do care if a loved one of mine doesn't. I struggled a bit with how I should handle it and decided I would simply tell those that I cared for that I thought they should get the vaccine. That's it. No pressure or arguing. Just a one sentence statement. I felt if one of them died and I hadn't at least told them I felt they should get one, I'd always regret it. My brother, parents and best friend all said, "thanks, but no". A few weeks later when it seemed this Delta variant was a different beast, my brother decided he'd get it. Because he did, my parents decided to. I hadn't said a single word about it since the first time I mentioned it. I thought I'd try my best friend one more time, but he flat out said, "no, never". He said he doesn't trust it. I asked him which part, hoping I might alleviate any concerns he might have and he said, "all of it." This is my best friend of 40 years. Literally been best friends since the first day of kindergarten when I saw a boy picking on him and shoved the kid into a urinal. I've seen him do coke, meth, acid, shrooms, ecstacy, MJ, etc. Pretty much every popular drug known to man. I've also seem him huff paint, vcr head cleaner, and gasoline. But he doesn't trust the vaccine. I just don't get it. One is immediate guaranteed gratification vs deferred potential harmful effects. One is deferred potential gratification vs deferred potential harmful effects. To clarify, not saying I agree. Just differentiating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Migration Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Just think…make up discussions used to be controversial here. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bold-Arrow Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 10 minutes ago, Migration said: Just think…make up discussions used to be controversial here. Just like a virus , BPers mutate 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzy_bricks Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 49 minutes ago, $20 on joe vs dan said: the lack of a rational consistent argument is what bothers me the most. That's how you know it's more political than rational. At least the Antivaxxers who don't believe in ANY vaccines are consistent in their arguments. I can at least respect that. I have little respect for folks who don't want the vaccine for political reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbad87 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 30 minutes ago, Bricklectic said: Pretty much every popular drug known to man. I've also seem him huff paint, vcr head cleaner, and gasoline. If none of this has killed him I dont think anything will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazuli16 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 39 minutes ago, Migration said: Just think…make up discussions used to be controversial here. ....so is it safe to talk about jerky again? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravenb99 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 16 minutes ago, lazuli16 said: ....so is it safe to talk about jerky again? blueberry alpaca farms might become a thing again... here's some info to stir up the conversation https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-airport-blog/delta-to-levy-200mth-health-care-surcharge-on-unvaccinated-employees/KHOZOJB6NZAQHAXNLT7PO2QACE/ 57 minutes ago, Migration said: Just think…make up discussions used to be controversial here. didn't even argue about the makeup, geesh 47 minutes ago, Bold-Arrow said: Just like a virus , BPers mutate apparently mods too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exciter1 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 36 minutes ago, lazuli16 said: ....so is it safe to talk about jerky again? You should have joined the Jerky Club, it's wild! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
$20 on joe vs dan Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 1 hour ago, fuzzy_bricks said: not sure the point...because context matters Trump said shooting lysol into arms should be a thing...so I 100% agree w/ Harris's POINT...Trump ALONE saying to take a drug will not convince me...and if he is ALONE in making the recommendation...then I would be pretty skeptical myself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cladner Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 41 minutes ago, exciter1 said: You should have joined the Jerky Club, it's wild! don't knock it man - i hear there's good money jerky packing... https://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Jack-Link-s-Beef-Jerky-Picker-Packer-Hourly-Pay-E819870_DAO.htm?filter.jobTitleExact=Picker%2FPacker - Jack Link group getting all the top talent. bennies include 20 chiropractic visits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exciter1 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, cladner said: don't knock it man - i hear there's good money jerky packing... https://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Jack-Link-s-Beef-Jerky-Picker-Packer-Hourly-Pay-E819870_DAO.htm?filter.jobTitleExact=Picker%2FPacker - Jack Link group getting all the top talent. bennies include 20 chiropractic visits. Working with Sasquatch ain’t easy. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Migration Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 2 hours ago, lazuli16 said: ....so is it safe to talk about jerky again? Let’s not be hasty… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazuli16 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 28 minutes ago, Migration said: Let’s not be hasty… Rumor has it that if you say jerky three times, it will conjure up old ghost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Raichu Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, lazuli16 said: Rumor has it that if you say jerky three times, it will conjure up old ghost. Oh F.... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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