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18 minutes ago, crayxlp said:

really?? What are your points regarding alcohol-based solutions? ( I do not mean "beverage-based" liquids such as beer, bourbon, etc.. but just pure technical "alcohol")

from your "very own yard" CDC report:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/guidance-prevent-spread.html

Perform hand hygiene frequently. Wash your hands often with soap and water for at least 20 seconds or use an alcohol-based hand sanitizer that contains 60 to 95% alcohol, covering all surfaces of your hands and rubbing them together until they feel dry. Soap and water should be used preferentially if hands are visibly dirty.

Pretty sure that one flew right over your head­čśü

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1 minute ago, NIevo said:

Pretty sure that one flew right over your head­čśü

could you .. please -- try to reword / rephrase your answer? I dont even see the last character behind the "head" word.. which is probably some kind of an emoticon.

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could you .. please -- try to reword / rephrase your answer? I dont even see the last character behind the "head" word.. which is probably some kind of an emoticon.


Raven was just making a joke about alcohol (the drinking variety)
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14 minutes ago, brickolodon said:

what true actually we all looking for?

from my point of view - (if this is what all the following discussion is about).. . its that the detergents / chemicals / household cleaning stuff based on (technical) alcohol formula can be used in "emergency" situations when the clnical stuff from medshops is unavailable.

I once read an interview with a seasoned emergency (911) worker in the field.. he mentioned that if you witness a car crash and do not have at hand any "sanitized" wound dressing, even a "dirty, oiled cloth" would do to stop the bleeding - there is a plenty of time to care about the the possible infection later. 

2 minutes ago, Alpinemaps said:

 


Raven was just making a joke about alcohol (the drinking variety)

 

thank you for the explanation. as I mentioned, i was unsure since I was not able to see the last "emoticon".

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Turkish households always have a boatload of Kolonya at home so I'm good. I'd recommend it, if you can get it, no idea if it's sold in the US. Basically a 90% alcohol sanitizer, just smells a hundred times better. 

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Turkish households always have a boatload of Kolonya at home so I'm good. I'd recommend it, if you can get it, no idea if it's sold in the US. Basically a 90% alcohol sanitizer, just smells a hundred times better. 


Is that like My Big Fat Greek Wedding and Windex?
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13 hours ago, crayxlp said:

interesting that your doc didnt mention some of the most practical precautions what to do - if you are uncertain.. alcohol based gels and other disinfection products are the first choice, in emergency even an ordinary window sills cleaner would come handy as its also based on an alcohol formula. There has been some videos on the net showing how to properly rub your hands - not just the fingertips, but both palms and back of your hands (up to your wrists) and such.

what gives me some creeps is that you (in US) have some victim to this and the gov authorities are uncertain how that one got infected. On the other hand given the size of the US population and number of performed tests so far it gives a a pretty large loophole for incidents such at these. I guess that - like in any other affected country in the world - the real number is at least 10x higher than right now (our country not excluded).

hi,

my wife (like the vast majority of docs) don't mention hand gel sanitizer's because they are mainly a marketing gimmick.    alcohol based gels like Purell are nice but should be used as a back-up option when proper anti-bacteria soap isn't around. hospitals & clinics put them everywhere because having hallway washing stations every 25' feet (or so) is expensive, a plumbing nightmare, & lawyers' dream (slipping from water & soap on the floor).

think about it, when a surgeon or specialist doing a scope / biopsy & their staff get ready, do they scrub their hands with soap or Purell? 

at the end of the day, people need to stop touching & picking things and wash their hands multiple times per day.  

 

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9 hours ago, Alpinemaps said:


Is that like My Big Fat Greek Wedding and Windex?

 

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COVID 19 is a virus. Alcohol is sufficient and efficient. ThatÔÇÖs why I keep a bottle under the desk.

But proper hand washing and keeping your fingers away from your face are the keys to good hygiene. YouÔÇÖll get less pimples too.

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18 minutes ago, oneknightr said:

Went to Target and Dollar Tree yesterday looking for Purell or any other hand sanitizer and they were out. Also noticed the pain reliever/fever reducer aisle was cleaned out as well. 

Try Staples or similar.  I just went there this morning to pick up a shredder and the store had plenty of sanitizer.

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Everyone other than the usual suspects will be fine... old people, the very young, people with compromised immune systems etc...

I still fail to see what the big deal is about. No long term effects and a very low mortality rate.

People seem to be panicking over... panicking?

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12 minutes ago, KvHulk said:

Everyone other than the usual suspects will be fine... old people, the very young, people with compromised immune systems etc...

I still fail to see what the big deal is about. No long term effects and a very low mortality rate.

People seem to be panicking over... panicking?

I'm guessing the panic stems from supply hold-up and the fact there is no medicine available for those with underlying health issues or the elderly. The mortality rate so far with that segment seems to be 10-15%. If that holds true, it's a staggering number, even if the infection rate is only 10% of that population. 

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32 minutes ago, KvHulk said:

Everyone other than the usual suspects will be fine... old people, the very young, people with compromised immune systems etc...

I still fail to see what the big deal is about. No long term effects and a very low mortality rate.

People seem to be panicking over... panicking?

Italy has a 33% Case Fatality Rate which seems to be more representative of the videos we have seen out of Wuhan. 

How do you know there are no long-term effects when patient 1 presented in December 2019?

Just looking at the early results out of Washington with multiple health care workers and first responders in quarantine this can easily overwhelm the healthcare system with lack of beds and trained people to care for the ill.  China had to build hospitals to accommodate the ill and ship in thousands of healthcare workers from other provinces to help provide treatment. 

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15 minutes ago, Pseudoty said:

Italy has a 33% Case Fatality Rate which seems to be more representative of the videos we have seen out of Wuhan. 

How do you know there are no long-term effects when patient 1 presented in December 2019?

Just looking at the early results out of Washington with multiple health care workers and first responders in quarantine this can easily overwhelm the healthcare system with lack of beds and trained people to care for the ill.  China had to build hospitals to accommodate the ill and ship in thousands of healthcare workers from other provinces to help provide treatment. 

33% case fatality rate?  You better check you numbers....

Per CNN..Italy's Civil Protection Authority reported the country now has 1,694 confirmed coronavirus cases, up from 1,128 confirmed cases on Saturday. Thirty-four people have died. About 2%...

While I don't want to jinx anything, they said today that that patient zero was probably infecting people since mid January in Washington.  A layman would figure there should be hundreds of cases in that area causing major issues as we speak.  Maybe there will be, but also maybe it has had minimal impact on many people.  The first responders had no idea that there was Coronavirus involved I believe.

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17 hours ago, brickolodon said:

what true actually we all looking for?

Reliable numbers, from the Journal of the American Medical Association : https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762130?guestAccessKey=bdcca6fa-a48c-4028-8406-7f3d04a3e932&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=022420

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