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We certainly have some high level execs from TLG among us.......I mean how else could some of you speak with such absolute certainty about these sets. I would think having such a high profile job within TLG wouldn't afford you the time to be on these forums all day but I sure am grateful that you are.

Guys, I think your arguing is a bit pointless, in a sense that the outcome of the argument is not going to affect anything. People who believe in SSD would be happier if less of other people got them. People who don't want SSD don't have many options to get one at normal price, and for sure not going to get it at market price, since they did not bother at MSRP. If SSD shows up again, people who believe in SSD will just get more. People who don't - they'll just say "Aha! we told you!", and still not buy it. So, see - nothing really would change.

No offense intended, and I'm glad the ISD is a suitable substitute for YOU - but for me, and I think almost everyone else (latter is speculation, of course), it isn't even in the same universe. ISD is a tiny toy compared to the monster that is the SSD. The feature that the ISD is missing compared to the SSD is a big bucket of awesome. Understood that display space is always going to be an issue with a set so huge, but that's exactly what sets it apart. I can't imagine anyone truly cross-shopping these two. AFOLs looking for the biggest & best won't ever give the new ISD a second glance (if anything, they'll go straight to 10030). Sent from my iPhone using Brickpicker

I wholeheartedly disagree. I order and then cancel order and then re-order each time they post.

Quoted from an article on cognitive biases: Projection Bias As individuals trapped inside our own minds 24/7, it's often difficult for us to project outside the bounds of our own consciousness and preferences. We tend to assume that most people think just like us

10194 was released in April 2009 for $99.99. It remained available on lego.com and amazon until Oct / Nov 2011. The nearly 1,100 element set consists of 3 minifigures, an A3 Pacific inspired steam locomotive, a tender and a dining car. It was also released with Power Functions and track (called K10194 Emerald Night Collection) http://lego.wikia.com/wiki/K10194_Emerald_Night_Collection One of the earlier press releases can be found below. http://brickset.com/article/247/10194-emerald-night-is-real! I've been a Lego train fan only since late 2012 with my first Hogwarts Express 4841 (to run around the Christmas tree) and 9467 The Ghost Train purchases. I just missed buying the 10219 Maersk Train (later bought this MSIB). The Toy Story Western (open) Train and Lone Ranger Constitution Train (MISBs) are also in my collection. A MISB 10132 Motorized Hogwart Express was recently sold. All my opened sets have been modified to work on 9V track. After a year of hunting for a good deal, I finally was able to purchase set 10194 complete (w/o box) for well under the current brickpicker used value of $255. As of last month, I've observed new 10194s selling for $310 to $375. http://www.brickpicker.com/bpms/set.cfm?set=10194-1 The brinklink inventory can be found at. The average cost of bricklinking this set w/ used parts will cost around "1,082 Items in 189 Unique Lots totalling US $217.76" during the last 6 months. http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=10194-1 A couple of elements are pretty pricey. - Tan Window 1 x 4 x 3 Train with Shutter Holes and Solid Studs on Ends run about $4.40 each (10 needed and are exclusive to this set) - Dark Green Slope, Curved 2 x 4 x 2/3 No Studs without Bottom Tubes with Two Gold Stripes Pattern run about .60 each (18 needed. also exclusive to this set) For detail pics of the box and manual (8 bags), please refer to this Eurobricks review... http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=59204 Let the building begin. Unused stickers will not be applied My previous build threads. 7780: The Batboat: Hunt for Killer Croc : http://www.brickpick...-croc-batman-1/ 7782 The Batwing: The Joker's Aerial Assault : http://www.brickpick...arison-to-6863/ 7786: The Batcopter: The Chase for Scarecrow : http://www.brickpick...-for-scarecrow/ 10123: Star Wars Cloud City : http://www.brickpick...ars-cloud-city/ 10173: Holiday Train : http://www.brickpick...-holiday-train/ 10179 UCS Millennium Falcon : http://www.brickpick...lennium-falcon/ 10226 Sopwith Camel : http://www.brickpick...-sopwith-camel/ 10181 Eiffel Tower : http://www.brickpick...l-tower-advice/ 10194 Emerald Night train : http://www.brickpick...-emerald-night/ 10196 Grand Carousel : http://community.brickpicker.com/topic/13647-building-10196-grand-carousel/ 10225 UCS R2D2 : http://www.brickpick...0225-ucs-r2-d2/ 75059 UCS Sandcrawler : http://www.brickpick...59-sandcrawler/ 21021 Architecture Marina Bay Sands http://www.brickpick...rina-bay-sands/ 21108 Ghostbusters Ecto-1 : http://www.brickpick...busters-ecto-1/

up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, start. Classic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4rmhCyGUdk

That is exactly what I am thinking... Where does this "oh my god, I'm not sure this set will become a winner, because it's price is too high/ takes too much space to display/ box art is crappy/ enter another strange reason here..." come from? I sadly cannot explain, but, looking into the past of other UCS and big sets, they all grew a lot after several years. Why shouldn't the new sets follow the same path (even according to the argumentation space/ price/ bla)? Many of the sets even start to grow in price even without being officially "EOL". I haven't got enough space to display and so the target group hasn't neither? Nonsens IMHO, argumentation based on nothing! The MF sells for lots of money and so do the other UCS/ modular sets already EOL. There is always a target group that has the possibilities to buy these sets (even when it is a christmas present for the beloved husband, e.***.). And even more and more BP members come up with an argumentation against sets growing in worth because they didn't already double after 2 weeks... where has the patience gone, which is an essential requirement for selling sets after a couple of years (after EOL, AND (!) NOT days and weeks, even months after EOL!). Just my 2 cents...

Chances are, if you have $700 of disposable income for a toy, you probably have enough space to display this set.......or you build it, leave it out for awhile, and take it apart. The target market for this set (which is still a huge market) is the 30+ age group with good jobs.

I would just like to know how old everyone here on Brickpicker is plus what gender. Just wondering if there are a bunch of youngish men/women or oldish men/women. Thanks. PS: If you aren't comfortable giving your age, I am not pressuring you.

Oh man I just got my greatest score yet, I got a used but like new darth vaders tie advanced fighter (10175) for $90 shipped off of eBay and it has a near mint box the instructions and everything so it was a hell of a deal

come on man you are a veteran here you know just to ignore knuckle head statements like the the ones running rampant in this thread.

Proof? Source? Anything? I can't be the only one getting sick of statements like this being thrown out with nothing to back them up. Use the words "in my opinion" or "I think" if it is speculation. Otherwise give some more info or let us know what source this is from. Sent from my iPhone using Brickpicker

Excellent advice. I had sold a bunch at auction for $50-55 but listed one last week for $65 Buy it Now and it sold in 3 days.

3 GE's or one SSD? Hmmm Triple the work. One listing each will do, but shipping is where the extra time comes in. It may be easier to find buyers in the lower entry ~330 (us dollars) versus 800? Biggest baddest Star wars set compared to a well hoarded GE Modular set. To each their own, both should provide opportunities to make mad cash. I think the path to doubling your money will be faster with GE. Sell three GE's making ~155/set or sell one SSD to make $350? Choose your own path.

GE might be the better bet in the EU

From the info that I have gathered from more experienced investors here on brickpicker, chose the GE's. You'll have 3 vs. the 1 SSD.

The Palace Cinema came out last year. It has a long time before it will go EOL according to the pattern of the other modulars that Lego has released like the Fire Brigade. I expect this set to go EOL in the fall of 2017. You will have time to buy some of them before it goes EOL.

Flopping your way to victory?

This is so true. Think about the SF bay area start ups folks. I recall that when Facebook and Twitter and others went public; everyone working there became a millionaires. But, wait, SSD only has 1 color. Hmm, that would be a problem now.

I need to get the GE for sure. In what order of the Modulars do I need to start? GE came out in 2010 and the Pet Shop in 2011. I want to get the oldest first before it retires and then the next and so on.

Well, this one was already there here. And it would be on topic for investment value discussion. Whoever does not care about investment value argument does not have to follow it. "News on 10221" thread is getting too diluted with non-rumors...

I really don't understand what you're trying to say here, you can make this "argument" against any set: - Must be a LEGO fan and collector/builder - Must be a city/space/lotr/star wars/castle fan etc etc etc - Must have enough cash - Must want this particular set - Must have enough room to store/display it (thats debatable) Saying this is the reason the SSD will not do well doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Of course only a subset of all Lego buyers will like a particular set, some Lego fans don't like certain themes and love others. By this logic we should dump all of our VW T1 campers because 100% of Lego buyers aren't VW or camper fans?

Also, hate to say it, but most nerdy LEGO fans are probably nerdy Star Wars fans, and nerdy LOTR fans. There is reasoning how TLG picks their partners.

logic and common sense are frowned upon and discouraged in these quarters .

Agreed no need to argue when this set is 100% gonna be a huge winner. If you think otherwise you might wanna hang it up or try your luck making money via other avenues.

I sold one on eBay for $650 late last week. It was listed for about an hour before it sold.

Excuse me? Check the eBay listings first prior to talking prices perhaps. It has been flying off for $650. Perhaps you're looking at a used one? The last used SSD I saw went for $590. I sold a new one last week for $660 on craigslist. The guy asked for a $10 discount and I said no and he still paid up. Sent from my iPhone using Brickpicker

Again, all due respect, but you're entirely off base here. You are not the target market for the SSD, nor is anyone else without the room for it. But as you say, "the point is entirely elsewhere" - the fact is there are quite a few people who DO have the space, and the cash. For the subset of that demographic who are AFOLs and/or SW IP fanatics, and there just isn't anything more impressive in terms of display than this very set. Those are the people who will pay ~$800 or whatever for these after EOL. Not you. You simply can't argue with the current ebay sales at $600 and up (when it isn't even officially retired). Or, as has been alluded to above, the success of 10179. That set is just as bulky, and I agree with naf, even MORE difficult to display than 10221. MF is more iconic, sure, but it isn't as if the SSD is unheard of. So who are the people paying thousands for 10179? Same ones who will ultimately pony up for the SSD. In short, I get it, it's not for you, and agreed, it isn't for a lot of other people in the same situation. But that makes it absolutely no less of a strong investment, because there is undeniable proof that such a market does indeed exist.

Are you kidding? Did you really compare the SSD to the new system scale Star Destroyer? One is a model aimed at adults, adults who have lots of money to spend. The other one is a kid's toy. As many, many others have said before, people dont buy UCS sets for "features," they buy them for the impressive display value, they are built and displayed as realistic models of the ships. You seem to have the same mental block that neocacher has, it's a bad investment because you don't like it. I actually think it's easier to display the SSD than the UCS Millennium Falcon, and the Falcon has no problems selling for a high price.

Everything going according to plan!

i wouldn't call it redirect. USA had 19R4-20R4 run, you had your 24S4 run. Two separate independent runs. Surely there is always a chance that USA gets another run, like 40R4 or something. Europe might not, if 24S4 is sufficient to cover current demand

Most people will say this is a matter of personal taste/opinion, but believe me...this is one of the most iconical ships from the movie and a great set to display! The concept artist/designer Ralph McQuarrie who worked on the original 3 movies is absolutely AMAZING! There is no words in any language that can describe how talented this guy is and how big his visionary was! The way we know Star Wars today is all thanks to him. The new Spaceships from episode 1, 2 and 3 might be newer, made with better technology,..some 30 years later, bla bla bla ....but are no-where near the vision of the great McQuarrie. So..to say the SSD looks dull is a shock to me and disrespect to this amazing creation. I personally would have wanted it bigger, more complicated etc etc...but I know this is impossible to sell and make profit as a business case. So what we have here is already great stuff! Have you watched the movies anyway? You said it yourself you just started a month ago and already making predictions that people here (collecting and investing for years) can't make. If you don't like the SSD and you consider there is no point investing in it, then why all this rant about it? Is it us you're trying to convince or yourself?

Just so people get some perspective I have been hunting for a mint sealed black monarch castle, blacks seas barracuda and carri ean clipper. So far no luck on a sealed pristine copy. I am willing to pay 4 figures for the monarch castle and barracuda. None to be had. Look up the tetail prices of those sets. An investor must be able to detach their investment opportunity from their own biased limited understanding. Bugatti contibues to sell multi million dollar cars because rich folks want them, plain amd simple. Same thing goes here. True collectors in many cases that have resources ignore price for what they want, and to not think so as an investor on this side of the trade is ignorance. The highest demand sets are the biggest always have been. That is also why i am putting money on tower bridge. To each his own though. I am glad people are not as invested in this as it would seem, makes a better long term opportunity.

You may have heard of Pepa Quin before if you can recall the huge city of New New York from Futurama he did a year or so ago. Anyway, his next challenge was the city of Springfield from The Simpsons. via The Brick Fan

Pardon me while I peel myself off the floor, a wave of awesome just crushed me

As much as you can toke.

Yeah and the VW Beetle is awesome and a good comparison. At least where I am from and live now - VW Beetle is definitely much more beloved and still bought quite a bit. I have several friends with VW Beetles that really want the old Lego set still. While the VW Bus is awesome, these aren't still all over the road fueling interest, etc. Plus the Beetle came out in a different age and is continuing to grow in the golden age of Lego interest while not being produced anymore. But I certainly wouldn't be surprised to be wrong here. And I would be happy because I certainly have invested in a nice number of these

I didn't know about the differences between gifting and goods and services. Thanks all for the info.

I think closer to $200-250 is a more reasonable expectation than $400. I know I'd probably be happy to sell at about $250. Perhaps $400 in quite a few years but I'd guess many investors would be happy to sell lower than that. Might take many years for supply to really get scarce.

There are many cases in which smart investors buy at high prices. Don't underestimate the AFOL with some extra cash. They will spend it on all types of sets they wanted years previously, but missed the opportunity.

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But, say, tru in nyc, times square, does carry exclusives, right? If someone nearby, it might worth checking out...

Yeah the biggest setback would be a redesign of this model in hte next 5 years if a similar ship shows up in a future Star Wars Movie(Of which there will be several probably). Of course like another guy said earlier, putting $400 in Apple stock may see that hit $800 in 4 years also and I don't know if this set can hit $1000 or if there will be many buyers at that price point.

Haven't heard anything about a new modular. A police station would be pretty cool or better yet a hospital

While I'm all for investing in a theme like Galaxy Squad if you can buy it at the right price, you can't compare a generic Space themed set with some unique looking Creator set that would appeal to AFOLs. The AFOLs, for the most part, are what supports the high end secondary market, so you have to figure an adult would rather spend big bucks on a cool adult oriented set, rather than some run of the mill CITY or Space set.

It's here!

not sure if this is an option for you but, maybe offer it as a trade for a set that you really want instead