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1 minute ago, junkrigger said:

Why does everyone assume anyone who voices concern about the problems associated with capitalism is a full blown red army socialist. Furthermore what goes on in USSR, China, Vietnam, Venezuela is a far cry from theoretical communism or socialism.


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I had a college professor from the UK that said the same thing about the UK, there is no middle class.  When he saw Bill Clinton in McDonald's, he always said "you'd never see the Queen in McDonald's".

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 i urge (even beg) you to start posting your political views and lessons on socialism vs. capitalism on reddit's lepin page :)

That page needs some spice.

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, junkrigger said:

Why does everyone assume anyone who voices concern about the problems associated with capitalism is a full blown red army socialist. Furthermore what goes on in USSR, China, Vietnam, Venezuela is a far cry from theoretical communism or socialism.


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1 hour ago, mizeur said:

The point is Ed sees inequality as an inescapable and unchanging fact of life in spite of the evidence that inequality is really getting worse. And to the extent Ed acknowledges a downside to inequality, he sees it as a jumping off point to say it's the fault of kids today or the result of individuals' failings (and apparently going back 3 generations now) rather than because of the collective impact of choices made by preceding generations that created headwinds those kids now have to deal with.

The great thing about the American Dream he's touting is we don't need permission to exploit the situation for our own personal gain.

Ed, I'm not actually justifying bogusbricks. I already said that the system being unjust doesn't excuse their illegal operation or the buyers who enable them. I'm just saying the conclusions you're drawing about generations are bunk. 

 

We can disagree.  My experience tells me otherwise.  I stated that I was a reason for the current situation.  Me and countless other parents enabling their kids.  I do not believe that inequality is inescapable.  I believe in the American Dream.  But I do believe inequality will ALWAYS be with us...in some shape or form.  Yes, today's generation has some headwinds they have to deal with.  Earlier generations had their own headwinds.  Some dealt with wars or depressions or other major issues that might have toughened them up more than today's kids.

Polling of today's younger generation will generally show they want more government involvement in their lives...more hand outs and freebies.  Socialism is no longer taboo to some kids.  Sounds like a great plan until you live in a socialist country.  We are creating a Nanny State and it seems like the kids are happy with it.  

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23 minutes ago, Ed Mack said:

We can disagree.  My experience tells me otherwise.  I stated that I was a reason for the current situation.  Me and countless other parents enabling their kids.  I do not believe that inequality is inescapable.  I believe in the American Dream.  But I do believe inequality will ALWAYS be with us...in some shape or form.  Yes, today's generation has some headwinds they have to deal with.  Earlier generations had their own headwinds.  Some dealt with wars or depressions or other major issues that might have toughened them up more than today's kids.

Polling of today's younger generation will generally show they want more government involvement in their lives...more hand outs and freebies.  Socialism is no longer taboo to some kids.  Sounds like a great plan until you live in a socialist country.  We are creating a Nanny State and it seems like the kids are happy with it.  

We can disagree. I can also point out that your reasoning is logically unsound because of all sorts of bias (confirmation bias, sample bias, appealing to authority).

Talking about wars and depressions like 9/11. Iraq, Afghanistan, and the 2008 recession didn't happen is exactly the kind of biased thinking I mean.

And if all you mean when you say you don't believe inequality is inescapable is that some people can escape it, that's not really the point.

Now you want to bring it back to capitalism vs socialism and government handouts. Yet again I'll ask what's laissez-faire about, for example, Steamboat Willie being a protected IP 90 years later? Seems like the question maybe isn't whether or not there should be a "nanny state" but who's going to reap the benefits.

 

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2 minutes ago, mizeur said:

We can disagree. I can also point out that your reasoning is logically unsound because of all sorts of bias (confirmation bias, sample bias, appealing to authority).

Talking about wars and depressions like 9/11. Iraq, Afghanistan, and the 2008 recession didn't happen is exactly the kind of biased thinking I mean.

And if all you mean when you say you don't believe inequality is inescapable is that some people can escape it, that's not really the point.

Now you want to bring it back to capitalism vs socialism and government handouts. Yet again I'll ask what's laissez-faire about, for example, Steamboat Willie being a protected IP 90 years later? Seems like the question maybe isn't whether or not there should be a "nanny state" but who's going to reap the benefits.

 

OK Mr. Spock...You win.  Your posts are giving me a headache and my logic and experiences are unsound .  Time for you to move on and save the world from capitalistic cronies like myself.  I will never buy another LEGO set again.  Thanks for pooping on my dream!

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37 minutes ago, Ed Mack said:

Polling of today's younger generation will generally show they want more government involvement in their lives...more hand outs and freebies.  Socialism is no longer taboo to some kids.  Sounds like a great plan until you live in a socialist country.  We are creating a Nanny State and it seems like the kids are happy with it.  

America does have variation of a socialized system, especially in medical health. A purely socialized system is the VA Health System since you have to see VA doctors at VA hospitals that are run by the government. You also have Medicare, Medicaid and the TRICARE system here which are government funded but not wholly government administered.  It falls into that catch-all of "socialized medicine."  The point of such systems was that Americans SHOULD receive affordable health insurance in order to receive adequate medical care. To do so would require American to buy into it. 

Now, is it all perfect? No. Is it better than having nothing? Yes.

Furthermore, Social Security itself provides a social safety for the elderly population, one that is subsidized by taxpayers. Americans subsidize our elderly to a great extent.  In essence, the "nanny state" already exists.  Initially, Social Security was an attempt to limit what were seen as dangers in the modern American life, including old age, poverty, unemployment, and the burdens of widows and fatherless children.  This was first advocated as assistance in 1935.  Then, over the decades it has expanded and been reformed many times since its inception.

The argument was elucidated that elderly Americans should be cared for and that the government had a role to play in it. The ideas behind is that American pay in now and later in life as they retire or no longer work for reason, they would be able to survive with a form of social welfare programs.

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7 minutes ago, TANV said:

America does have variation of a socialized system, especially in medical health. A purely socialized system is the VA Health System since you have to see VA doctors at VA hospitals that are run by the government. You also have Medicare, Medicaid and the TRICARE system here which are government funded but not wholly government administered.  It falls into that catch-all of "socialized medicine."  The point of such systems was that Americans SHOULD receive affordable health insurance in order to receive adequate medical care. To do so would require American to buy into it. 

Now, is it all perfect? No. Is it better than having nothing? Yes.

Furthermore, Social Security itself provides a social safety for the elderly population, one that is subsidized by taxpayers. Americans subsidize our elderly to a great extent.  In essence, the "nanny state" already exists.  Initially, Social Security was an attempt to limit what were seen as dangers in the modern American life, including old age, poverty, unemployment, and the burdens of widows and fatherless children.  This was first advocated as assistance in 1935.  Then, over the decades it has expanded and been reformed many times since its inception.

The argument was elucidated that elderly Americans should be cared for and that the government had a role to play in it. The ideas behind is that American pay in now and later in life as they retire or no longer work for reason, they would be able to survive with a form of social welfare programs.

You misunderstood me.  I want free as well.  Who wouldn't?  My business partner and I spend hundreds of thousands of dollars every year on health insurance for our business.  I have a nine year old son who needs to go to college one day and I would love for that to be paid.  My parents are on social security(I will be as well sooner than later).  They need more money to live.  They are all worthy programs and ideas.

My issue is who will pay for it?  Most likely me and a bunch of other capitalists who are under siege for working hard.  

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17 minutes ago, TANV said:

A purely socialized system is the VA Health System since you have to see VA doctors at VA hospitals that are run by the government.

This is what I do not get.  We all know how sh*tty these government run health system is, but some people want more of socialized health system???

17 minutes ago, TANV said:

The point of such systems was that Americans SHOULD receive affordable health insurance in order to receive adequate medical care. To do so would require American to buy into it. 

OTOH, it is sad how much the health care system and the US government are beholden to insurance companies that any provision in medical care is bound by what the insurance would and would not cover.   This is the direct result of collusion between government and big business.  Not sure what the solution is as the root is too deep.  But I know focusing on making either 1 even larger is not the solution to the problem

Like I said, the oligarchy is already here.  

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1 minute ago, Darth_Raichu said:

This is what I do not get.  We all know how sh*tty these government run health system is, but some people want more of socialized health system???

OTOH, it is sad how much the health care system and the US government are beholden to insurance companies that any provision in medical care is bound by what the insurance would and would not cover.   This is the direct result of collusion between government and big business.  Not sure what the solution is as the root is too deep.  But I know focusing on making either 1 even larger is not the solution to the problem

Like I said, the oligarchy is already here.  

People say the ideal would be a Nordic Social Democratic system but that has many traps to deal with, including the oligarchy.

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1 minute ago, TANV said:

People say the ideal would be a Nordic Social Democratic system but that has many traps to deal with, including the oligarchy.

They say people in the Nordic countries are the happiest.  I am moving there.  I am one percent Finnish.

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7 minutes ago, TANV said:

People say the ideal would be a Nordic Social Democratic system but that has many traps to deal with, including the oligarchy.

Heh, that sounds more like legalized collusion between government and business :P

In any case, it may work for small more homogenized population, but I cannot see how it would be sustainable with 300+ millions diverse population 

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45 minutes ago, Ed Mack said:

OK Mr. Spock...You win.  Your posts are giving me a headache and my logic and experiences are unsound .  Time for you to move on and save the world from capitalistic cronies like myself.  I will never buy another LEGO set again.  Thanks for pooping on my dream!

The phrase you're looking for is "bless your heart." 

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6 hours ago, exciter1 said:

Back on topic, this gem reply showed up to one of my posts on Reddit.

"Take your crap back to the r/lego, fanboy. Unless you want to change the rules over there allowing US to come over and constantly post the truth about the fraudulent Lego company.

If you want a company to hate because it steals from others, choose Lego. Lego are fakes. The vile and despicable Ole Kirk Christiansen STOLE MOLDS for the first bricks from an honest and innovative company Kiddicraft. Christiansen is a THIEF, a MONSTER, and a despicable and vile pathetic excuse for a human being. You should be ASHAMED for defending this monster. For shame! For shame! Fisher Page, the TRUE inventor of Lego bricks, committed suicide in 1957.

Lego Corp has much to answer for. They are a vile and despicable company. Their founder should have been put on trial for crimes against humanity.

Repent! Research the true history and repent! By continuing to support and celebrate the monster Lego, you share in responsibility for their crimes!"

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1 hour ago, exciter1 said:

Well, at least now you know how passionate cheapskates can be.

1 hour ago, Ed Mack said:

Sorry, let's not offend anyone.  They are "financially challenged."

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3 hours ago, junkrigger said:

Why does everyone assume anyone who voices concern about the problems associated with capitalism is a full blown red army socialist. Furthermore what goes on in USSR, China, Vietnam, Venezuela is a far cry from theoretical communism or socialism.


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But aren't these countries proof that the theory of socialism and/or communism is flawed by the perverbial Human flaw...absolute power corrupts absolutely?

As long as the have and have nots exist...there will be greed and corruption...so far capitalism seems to be the best system in narrowing the gap.

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But aren't these countries proof that the theory of socialism and/or communism is flawed by the perverbial Human flaw...absolute power corrupts absolutely?
As long as the have and have nots exist...there will be greed and corruption...so far capitalism seems to be the best system in narrowing the gap.

It would seem that yes so far as implemented by the hands of humans capitalism is the best, alas it too is showing significant problems and it’s succeptibility to manipulation by those who already have the most.


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1 hour ago, mizeur said:

Your house, your rules. You want to set the example that disagreements should end in ridicule, that's your choice to make.

Granted, the Mr. Spock comment was in response to your logic comments, but the "Live long and prosper" was meant to be a peace offering and a nice gesture.  Sorry, no offense.  

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