Diabolos80 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Alright then. Communism when it works is a Societal Pyramid built up by power hungry dictators, who once are done building said pyramid sit themselves on top of it. Questions are usually punctuated by a question mark. You noticed 1 out of 2. A for effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weakside Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 On one of the local radio stations in Toronto, that older gentleman was on speaking about his experience or lack-there-of at Discovery Centre. He said he would have been more than happy to go on Adult Night event but nothing was posted and he found out later when he got there. He didn't want to go into the kids play area or movie...just wanted to see the Lego display of Toronto's skyline. I just think the Discovery Centre could of handled this a lot better. They did offer him a VIP tour as compensation. The major issue he and his adult daughter had was the Manager was 'too busy' to even come out and talk to them. They were just stunned. Whatever your policy is, you should always treat people/customer with respect. Apparently there was nothing on the website about having to bring a 'child' to have access to the Discovery Centre. But since this hoopla their website has been updated/changed. I remember when I was checking out admission prices I didn't see anything about restrictions. Obviously the place wants to cater to families and not have parents worry about teenagers/adults walking around or possibily interacting with their kids. A lot of locals have offered to have him 'tag along' with their family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishGuy66 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Questions are usually punctuated by a question mark. You noticed 1 out of 2. A for effort. I you are so up on communism, why do you stick around such a capitalistic website? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diabolos80 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I you are so up on communism, why do stick around such a capitalistic website? Third time's apparently not the the charm. So, the question was: Does LegoLand's restrictive entry policy help to create a safer environment for small children? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spener90 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I notice neither one of you managed to actually address the question I posed. Communism is an ideological idea that has never worked, or at least for those who don't have the power. You end up with 99 of the population who has very little, while the 1% have control over the rest. I answered your first question quite simply, communism that works is just a theory. I you are so up on communism, why do stick around such a capitalistic website? Exactly, everyone on this site is a capitalist. We all buy and sell for a profit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishGuy66 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Third time's apparently not the the charm. So, the question was: Does LegoLand's retrictive entry policy help to create a safer environment for small children? And now you refuse to answer my questions? Why hang around such a capitalistic site? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diabolos80 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 And now you refuse to answer my questions? Why hang around such a capitalistic site? Gawd. First of all, I said that people should look out for and protect small children. You said that was communism, but your rebuttal was flawed from the beginning because you alluded to society raising children, not protecting them. Second, communism is an economy, socialism is a government. Socialism is an altruistic, unselfish society of people sharing resources and knowledge for the betterment of mankind instead of profit. Whether you're for or against doesn't change the definition. Third, I never said I adhered to any one theory over another. Fourth, the whole point of that post was that you're missing the point. And you still are, probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Lego Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 And now you refuse to answer my questions? Why hang around such a capitalistic site? Gawd. First of all, I said that people should look out for and protect small children. You said that was communism, but your rebuttal was flawed from the beginning because you alluded to society raising children, not protecting them. Second, communism is an economy, socialism is a government. Socialism is an altruistic, unselfish society of people sharing resources and knowledge for the betterment of mankind instead of profit. Whether you're for or against doesn't change the definition. Third, I never said I adhered to any one theory over another. Fourth, the whole point of that post was that you're missing the point. And you still are, probably. Im not trying to mini-mod, but can you guys stop talking about political items? I have nothing against either of you, but I don't want another thread to get locked. Thank you.The fastest way to have your comment deleted and/or a thread closed is to start throwing political talk around, I know it starts out all in good fun but it has no place on this website. Please refrain from making potilical comments, even joking around. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishGuy66 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Gawd. First of all, I said that people should look out for and protect small children. You said that was communism, but your rebuttal was flawed from the beginning because you alluded to society raising children, not protecting them. Second, communism is an economy, socialism is a government. Socialism is an altruistic, unselfish society of people sharing resources and knowledge for the betterment of mankind instead of profit. Whether you're for or against doesn't change the definition. Third, I never said I adhered to any one theory over another. Fourth, the whole point of that post was that you're missing the point. And you still are, probably. This whole thing has gotten out of hand. I apologize. Just for the record though, a communistic government is an actual form of government not an economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishGuy66 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Sure thing Darth Lego :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weakside Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 The only pertinent question: Does LegoLand's restrictive entry policy help to create a safer environment for small children? I don't agree 100% with the strict policy but have to say it does create a safer environment for small children just based on math/probability (I'm not a math guy and may be totally off but here's my attempt). Run this scenario 1million x's....group A has 100 kids with 50 adults, group B also has 100 kids but 75 adults. Lets not go into family members and all background stuff...but the odds of a 'sicko' is fewer in Group A vs Group B right? Just because of fewer adults. You could argue with more adults around they could keep an eye on the kids but that also raises the odds of a sicko in the group. I think the best practice is to have enough quality staff on site. That is up to the company and their budget. I know they have a lot of staff in the store front but since I've never actually been inside the Discovery Centre I don't know what the average staff per customer ratio is. Most parents do pay attention to their kids but I've seen people just let their little ones roam around while they are on the cell phones chatting. Last week at the park with my son, this little girl (2ish yr old) approached a dog and the dog owner had to look around to see who's kid this is...I couldn't spot the parents either...until 100yards off the mother/'guardian' was on the bench chatting on the phone. You want to give your child space to grow but you also don't want to regret not protecting them if something bad happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diabolos80 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 This whole thing has gotten out of hand. I apologize. Just for the record though, a communistic government is an actual form of government not an economy. My apologies as well. So, what are your thoughts on the question relevant to this thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoNotInsertIntoMouth Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Third time's apparently not the the charm. So, the question was: Does LegoLand's restrictive entry policy help to create a safer environment for small children? I think you may want to modify it to : Does the benefit from LegoLand's restrictive entry policy designed to create a safer environment for small children outweigh its negatives? I think everyone can agree its safer - but so is having no park at all, right? To answer it: On its face, I think its safer and there are benefits, but coupled with everything else, I wish that there were less rules like this and more responsible people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spener90 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 It would possibly make the environment safer, but if they do this I would also recommend having camera's watching the entire parking lot, having armed guards watching the entrance/exit. If we are going to be paranoid as a society, lets push it to full paranoia. Edit: Didn't see this was cleared up, I'll keep my comment. I just worry about our society becoming overly protective of everything. It's a slippery slope. We all enjoy Lego's. One thing that this place could consider is scanning Canadian/American id's for entrance if the person is an adult? It wouldn't be that difficult. Just trying to find a solution to the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Lego Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Sure thing Darth Lego Thanks Irishguy66! :thumbsup: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diabolos80 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I think you may want to modify it to : Does the benefit from LegoLand's restrictive entry policy designed to create a safer environment for small children outweigh its negatives? I think everyone can agree its safer - but so is having no park at all, right? To answer it: On its face, I think its safer and there are benefits, but coupled with everything else, I wish that there were less rules like this and more responsible people. Agreed, but isn't Lego being responsible by trying to keep sexual predators out of its park? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishGuy66 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I think you may want to modify it to : Does the benefit from LegoLand's restrictive entry policy designed to create a safer environment for small children outweigh its negatives? I think everyone can agree its safer - but so is having no park at all, right? To answer it: On its face, I think its safer and there are benefits, but coupled with everything else, I wish that there were less rules like this and more responsible people.My apologies as well. So, what are your thoughts on the question relevant to this thread? I take LegoLand's side on this. While I feel they could have done more to help with the man's inconvenience, I also feel that they did their job and the responsible thing in not letting him in. I know the AFOL couldn't possibly have had any ill intentions, and I'm sure that LegoLand didn't presume that either, but there's no way of proving that he didn't. LegoLand was right in enforcing their (Not clearly stated) policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Mack Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 TLG better realize that policies need to be changed for AFOLs without kids in a LEGOLAND situation. It's really no different than going to Disney or a Six Flags. Before we had our son Max, I never once thought I needed a kid to go to Disney World, but now after hearing this, I cannot believe people can be so biased against older people without kids. There are days when having no kids is a huge blessing! LOL 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spener90 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I think scanning an id to verify it and holding it on record would help? Come on, we're smart people, there have to be a few ways that this guy could have been let in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishGuy66 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I think scanning an id to verify it and holding it on record would help? Come on, we're smart people, there have to be a few ways that this guy could have been let in? A security guard escort perhaps? <== See that goes too far. I think LegoLand just had a lot on their hands that day and didn't have the time to deal with the situation properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spener90 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 A security guard escort perhaps? <== See that goes too far. I think LegoLand just had a lot on their hands that day and didn't have the time to deal with the situation properly. Haha, maybe a more cost efficient way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoNotInsertIntoMouth Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Agreed, but isn't Lego being responsible by trying to keep sexual predators out of its park? Assuming this is why they do it and not lawsuits. Also dangerous pedophiles aren't always older men without children. I have heard before that a lot of Pedophiles end up having children to be closer to them. Thats why I think its rough to exclude all of them because they could be one. The guy with his family could just as well be one. And I think there are other better alternatives like security and asking someone who is obviously doing this to leave. But I appreciate the rule and I would respect it. Just think there are better ways really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaisonline Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 my thoughts... if this was any other amusement park, i would question why a single guy is going there. however, this is an amusementpark based on Lego. ...and we know Lego has many adult fans. so why not just check his ID and cross-xref him against the pedophile database. if he comes out clean, then let him in the park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diabolos80 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 my thoughts... if this was any other amusement park, i would question why a single guy is going there. however, this is an amusementpark based on Lego. ...and we know Lego has many adult fans. so why not just check his ID and cross-xref him against the pedophile database. if he comes out clean, then let him in the park. I was once a single guy, and I went to Six Flags because I like roller coasters :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaisonline Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I was once a single guy, and I went to Six Flags because I like roller coasters ...and i watch summer blockbuster movies alone since my son is too young and the wife doesn't like my taste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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