Wow you guys are harsh.  I have a college degree and it pays me squat while my bartender job pays me more than most of you make, I promise that.

Edited October 28, 201510 yr by gregpj
next time I delete it

5 minutes ago, jerryherb said:

if you need a tip get a new job. there are no tips in EU and south of US and somehow everyone gets by on wages. tips are just for aholes running the businesses to pocket more money and NOT pay their employees

This probably needs a new thread. I've never been in the service industry, but this quote is utter BS. Servers get paid less than minimum wage because of the tipping setup.

Get a new job.....that's easy. I can see several people in this thread who will scrape by to save an extra $2.75 at TRU, and then turn around and tip $1 for a $15 meal.

 

9 minutes ago, wsuskee said:

Wow you guys are harsh.  I have a college degree and it pays me squat while my bartender job pays me more than most of you make, I promise that.

All right, internet bragging! Are you a astronaut/lawyer/rock star/brain surgeon with billions of dollars, 3 Ferraris with a super model girlfriend too?

9 minutes ago, wsuskee said:

Wow you guys are harsh.  I have a college degree and it pays me squat while my bartender job pays me more than most of you make, I promise that.

solely based on tips... pehaps you should ask your boss to pay you better so you dont have to rely on charity of your local waterhole patrons... and pay your taxes

5 minutes ago, iahawks550 said:

This probably needs a new thread. I've never been in the service industry, but this quote is utter BS. Servers get paid less than minimum wage because of the tipping setup.

Get a new job.....that's easy. I can see several people in this thread who will scrape by to save an extra $2.75 at TRU, and then turn around and tip $1 for a $15 meal.

 

Thank you for someone understanding.  I have a college degree and it pays me next to nothing while my bartending job pays me more than most of you make.

8 minutes ago, jerryherb said:

solely based on tips... pehaps you should ask your boss to pay you better so you dont have to rely on charity of your local waterhole patrons... and pay your taxes

Why don't you start on changing the traditions in this country.

I'm a true conservative, but I also believe that the wage system for servers is setup in such a way to keep meal costs down. Make an owner pay more for employees, guess what goes up??? Cost of service.

So, you can either pay more for your services, or tip for your service......

7 minutes ago, wsuskee said:

Thank you for someone understanding.  I have a college degree and it pays me next to nothing while my bartending job pays me more than most of you make.

That's great, but how do you know how much people around here make?

I have no problems with people working for tips, but I do think it's wrong that more and more businesses are relying on customers to up the tip % so you guys can make a decent living. There should be some balance rather than relying on the guilt of patrons to ensure you guys can live properly.

10 minutes ago, iahawks550 said:

Why don't you start on changing the traditions in this country.

I'm a true conservative, but I also believe that the wage system for servers is setup in such a way to keep meal costs down. Make an owner pay more for employees, guess what goes up??? Cost of service.

So, you can either pay more for your services, or tip for your service......

I rather they just raise the prices on the meal and if it's over my budget then I just go somewhere else to eat.

Edited October 28, 201510 yr by Lego_Monsters

2 minutes ago, iahawks550 said:

Why don't you start on changing the traditions in this country.

I'm a true conservative, but I also believe that the wage system for servers is setup in such a way to keep meal costs down. Make an owner pay more for employees, guess what goes up??? Cost of service.

So, you can either pay more for your services, or tip for your service......

i dont really care, but im tired of people crying me a river that they need tips to survive. Also, please tell me why i should tip a percentage instead of a standard fee. whats so special about someone bringing me a $50 steak as opposed to a $10 burger. same amount of effort required.

There are real easy solution for those that despise tipping. Stay home. Don't use services that generally rely on tips. Instead of b***hing about tipping, do something about it and don't patronize those businesses.

5 minutes ago, jerryherb said:

i dont really care, but im tired of people crying me a river that they need tips to survive. Also, please tell me why i should tip a percentage instead of a standard fee. whats so special about someone bringing me a $50 steak as opposed to a $10 burger. same amount of effort required.

The cooks are the ones I would like to tip/not tip.  Cooking the food is way more important that just delivering the food and drinks.

25 minutes ago, MarxMarvelous said:

It's one thing if you are a waiter and you are getting $3/hr or whatever but I am pretty sure there is no delivery diver legally making under minimum wage.

They could've rejected the $3/hr job and find a new job. Not our fault they accepted the job. 

5 minutes ago, jerryherb said:

i dont really care, but im tired of people crying me a river that they need tips to survive. Also, please tell me why i should tip a percentage instead of a standard fee. whats so special about someone bringing me a $50 steak as opposed to a $10 burger. same amount of effort required.

If you are ordering a $50 steak, my guess is the quality of the cooking and the quality of the service is oodles better than when you order a $10 burger. At most restaurants, tips are divided amongst many people. If you aren't happy with the service, tip accordingly.

 

 

4 minutes ago, Lego_Monsters said:

They could've rejected the $3/hr job and find a new job. Not our fault they accepted the job. 

For many of the people that are working these jobs and skating by, they very easily could just sit at home and draw government subsidies. I admire people that are willing to work, even though the work is not glamorous and the pay barely makes ends meet.

25 minutes ago, wsuskee said:

Thank you for someone understanding.  I have a college degree and it pays me next to nothing while my bartending job pays me more than most of you make.

Really? I see you didn't obtain any maturity with that college degree of yours.

15 minutes ago, iahawks550 said:

If you are ordering a $50 steak, my guess is the quality of the cooking and the quality of the service is oodles better than when you order a $10 burger. At most restaurants, tips are divided amongst many people. If you aren't happy with the service, tip accordingly.

humor me and lets say its a $20 burger and $50 steak at the same restaurant... same service, same cooks, same effort

Ahhh, the age old tip debate. I work in an industry where most, if not all, workers rely on tips. It's not that this industry doesn't pay well, it does (at least compared to food service/bartentending). The whole "business owners should pay their employees more" argument simply doesn't work in my industry. Sure I could double my employees pay, but in doing so I'm raising my rates to cover it. Problem is there is a limit to what the average person will pay for a service. If I raise my prices to the point that I cover what my employees make with tips, my number of clients drops by 20% or more ( I tried this a couple years ago). In other words, leaving things as is and encouraging tipping makes both me and my employees more $$$ in the end. I have a feeling all the "raise the pay and eliminate tips" people have either never working in and industry where tipping was prevalent or don't own a business. As far as how Eurpoe handles things I Don't Care. I'm not European, I have no plans on ever being European, so why should I give a crap if they're socialists...er if they tip?

5 minutes ago, Migration said:

Ahhh, the age old tip debate. I work in an industry where most, if not all, workers rely on tips. It's not that this industry doesn't pay well, it does (at least compared to food service/bartentending). The whole "business owners should pay their employees more" argument simply doesn't work in my industry. Sure I could double my employees pay, but in doing so I'm raising my rates to cover it. Problem is there is a limit to what the average person will pay for a service. If I raise my prices to the point that I cover what my employees make with tips, my number of clients drops by 20% or more ( I tried this a couple years ago). In other words, leaving things as is and encouraging tipping makes both me and my employees more $$$ in the end. I have a feeling all the "raise the pay and eliminate tips" people have either never working in and industry where tipping was prevalent or don't own a business. As far as how Eurpoe handles things I Don't Care. I'm not European, I have no plans on ever being European, so why should I give a crap if they're socialists...er if they tip?

This X 100

It's simple economics based on the model of THIS country. Sure, tips could be eliminated and an entirely new service industry structure could be setup, but get ready for mass layoffs, and price spikes.

 

yet somehow the food at restaurants in countries above the US on the list of best places to live is less expensive and no sales tax added on top of prices on the menu, go figure

Edited October 28, 201510 yr by jerryherb

3 minutes ago, jerryherb said:

yet somehow the food at restaurants in countries above the US on the list of best places to live is less expensive, go figure

There are better places to live than the United States?

Just now, jerryherb said:

yet somehow the food at restaurants in countries above the US on the list of best places to live is less expensive and no sales tax, go figure

and way better / cheaper heath care cost ( and all those JW lego) ..... i hate you people up north @#%!@#$%

If your $50 steak was priced at $56 instead, and you didn't have to tip, would it make you feel better about things?

Edited October 28, 201510 yr by iahawks550

1 minute ago, iahawks550 said:

If your $50 steak was priced at $56 instead, and you didn't have to tip, would it make you feel better about things?

actually i would prefer $20. i think thats what i paid for the best tasting steak i ever had

Edited October 28, 201510 yr by jerryherb

16 minutes ago, fuzzy_bricks said:

There are better places to live than the United States?

yes in the lands far far away over the endless blue plane of sea beasts. one can get there on a silver dragon but only after securing the secret scroll called a passport. very few know where it can be found and it requires tipping the USPS employee

Edited October 28, 201510 yr by jerryherb

20 minutes ago, iahawks550 said:

If your $50 steak was priced at $56 instead, and you didn't have to tip, would it make you feel better about things?

I personally wouldn't eat at a place with $50 steaks, but if I were eating at some place with $30 steaks, I'd rather pay $35 and not be expected to tip and *know* that the staff were receiving decent wages.  And then if I believed the staff had gone above and beyond my expectations, then I would leave an additional tip.

IMHO patrons should not be expected to tip for "standard expected base level of service" -- patrons should tip when they feel their expectations have been exceeded, as a show of appreciation for a well prepared meal, or a server who had gone to exceptional effort to make sure you were taken care of.

And I expect patrons should be charged (as part of the cost of the meal) enough so that all the staff should get paid a decent wage.  

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Now I might argue as to what constitutes a decent wage (ie, commensurate with the service that is expected at a particular venue, that is appropriate for the venue's location, and adjusted for the staff's level of experience & skill) -- but that doesn't seem to be the point of the current thread...

 

 

Edited October 28, 201510 yr by mcortez

6 minutes ago, mcortez said:

I personally wouldn't eat at a place with $50 steaks, but if I were eating at some place with $30 steaks, I'd rather pay $35 and not be expected to tip and *know* that the staff were receiving decent wages.

It would be an interesting social experiment to do this and see if quality of service increases or decreases. Sometimes with lower paying jobs, without the incentive to "earn" the money, quality of services decrease.