TheDarkness Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Well the retail for Weathertop is just over the top in my opinion, and the display value is not that high (I would argue Mines of Moria looks better on display than a ruined tower) Maybe I am a little biased, but I just have no appeal on the Weathertop set overall. You are right though, most of iconic stuff with Nazgul happened. Maybe it is just me but my feeling says ''stay away from this set'' ok sure if you can get it 30% or more off go for it but retail or 10% below retail, no thanks. There is no need to go for the set unless a) you want all sets you want Nazgul x7 c) you want Merry (but thats cheaper to buy off individually) Horses are ok, but with red eyes it is only so much you can do with them to not look weird and out of place. Aragorn is easy to get with 1 Helm's deep which also looks 10 times better on display, Frodo is cheap in Shelob attack, and the set retail price kinda sucks for Brick acquiring, better to buy Mines of Moria then. I might be totally off, but i see even Shelob doing better than Weathertop (percentage wise) I certainly agree with the over the top pricing. But realistically we can say that about nearly all licensed themes now. Those higher price points are here to stay. You can argue really that most of the LOTR/Hobbit sets are overpriced, I haven't paid full RRP for any of it, Helm's Deep included. The Nazgul in this set could be a driving force as much as the Cave troll is in the Moria set. To have a set of nine Nazgul you have to be spending a fair bit of coin out in these sets or buying the figures separately elsewhere. Weathertop is really the key scene in the trilogy with the Nazgul. I do see your reasonings why the set could be a dud though. It could very well be, and as bias as you are for not liking the set, I am the same just that I love the set. I certainly don't think it will be the best performing set though. I see Moria as the sleeper in the series and have plenty put aside should things go the way i want them to. If not, well I will have fun creating troll scenes in MOCs for awhile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcarin Posted March 8, 2013 Author Share Posted March 8, 2013 I certainly agree with the over the top pricing. But realistically we can say that about nearly all licensed themes now. Those higher price points are here to stay. You can argue really that most of the LOTR/Hobbit sets are overpriced, I haven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grolim Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Love this theme, my favourite, I'm a huge LOTR fan (how could I not be, I'm from NZ!). Great thread, would love to discuss this theme a lot more. I have written reviews of each of these sets along with the 3 polybags that could be considered part of the line, so I won't repeat all my detailed thoughts here. Overall I think the some of the sets in the theme sit in a bit of a strange 'no mans land' of appeal. To me LOTR is more of a teen, adult or AFOL audience. It also appeals to non-Lego collectors that collect wider LOTR gear (there are plenty of these!). To that demographic I think the sets that are obvious 'playset' types are a bit of a miss. The majority of buyers of this line will want display sets. Sure some kids may get into it after watching the Hobbit, but ninjago, friends, Chima, etc capture far more attention for them. The thing propping up some of those playsets is the minifigures, which are superb and very collectable. If the current figures are released in later sets I really think that will hurt investment values. Possibly not so much if the figures are the same characters but variants. Nazgul will probably hold the value up of Weathertop as plenty of collectors want to have 9 riders. Most other sets though you really need one only. I have all the sets and have built and displayed them. The only ones still on display are Helm's Deep with Uruk-Hai Army. Plus I have all the minifigs displayed. I also have 79003 from Hobbit on display as well (the only Hobbit set I bought). In a loose order of investment returns in terms of %, high to low, for 1-1.5 yrs this would be my predictions: Polybags (Elrond then Uruk-hai, then Frodo Cooking) Helm's Deep Uruk-Hai Army Orc Forge Weathertop Mines of Moria Gandalf Arrives Shelob Attacks I think wave 2 is looking promising, better than wave 1 even. Pirate ship, Black Gate (must have 2!), Orthanc (UCS maybe!). Great stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowcrash Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Watch what happens this summer when wave one goes into retirement and starts to dry up at retail. I'm betting Helms Deep in particular jumps big time on the secondary market and rewards investors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkness Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Watch what happens this summer when wave one goes into retirement and starts to dry up at retail. I'm betting Helms Deep in particular jumps big time on the secondary market and rewards investors. As I currently have 11 of them and still adding, I am looking forward to Helm's Deep being discontinued and then watching how things fall out from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadowsk1 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I love the whole LOTR line and very happy Lego got the license. I think the sets that will do the best will be the Mines of Moria (because the uniqueness of the cave troll) and the Orc Forge (because of the white handprinted material). As a side note to all of this Lego.com has Weathertop listed as call to check availability. While I know this doesn't mean it is end of lining I personally didn't see this set taking off or selling at a rate Lego couldn't keep it stocked. They must not have anticipated it selling at a particular pace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redeemed763 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Just curious where you heard that there would be no battle packs released, I would love it if they did but the lack of them would change my investment choices substantially. Most importantly, the figures would go up substantially in value, especially the orc forge and Uruk Hai army. Personally, I like weathertop quite a bit on its own, I have never paid more than $42 for one of them and at that price, the cost per brick and value is good. I would much rather be picking them up for $30 though, personally I am not afraid of it not doing well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikodimitri Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Helms deep and orc forge though personally the wizard battle will be worth a heap in the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcarin Posted March 11, 2013 Author Share Posted March 11, 2013 Just curious where you heard that there would be no battle packs released, I would love it if they did but the lack of them would change my investment choices substantially. Most importantly, the figures would go up substantially in value, especially the orc forge and Uruk Hai army. Personally, I like weathertop quite a bit on its own, I have never paid more than $42 for one of them and at that price, the cost per brick and value is good. I would much rather be picking them up for $30 though, personally I am not afraid of it not doing well. Well i did read alot about this and while there was no official response, alot of more knowledgable people than me about TLG and contracts said that there is a clause in LEGO LOTR contract (not sure about Hobbit license) that only allows LEGO (TLG) to release amounts of minifigure proportionate to the set size. Since LOTR action figure license is in the hands of some other company. I will try and find some threads about this but this above is the point why TLG is not responding or saying anything regarding Battle packs for LOTR, which is a shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOrcKing Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 I think there is something similiar with the LEGO license for Star Wars. Someone on CUUSOO submitted the idea for a series of Ultrabuild characters around Star Wars and they archived it after receiving around 1,300 supporters. Something about "conflict with a current license"? Here's the direct link to the now archived project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcarin Posted March 11, 2013 Author Share Posted March 11, 2013 I think there is something similiar with the LEGO license for Star Wars. Someone on CUUSOO submitted the idea for a series of Ultrabuild characters around Star Wars and they archived it after receiving around 1,300 supporters. Something about "conflict with a current license"? Here's the direct link to the now archived project. Exactly It is highly unlikely we would EVER get LOTR Battle Packs, so this is something to keep in mind for future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOrcKing Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 It is highly unlikely we would EVER get LOTR Battle Packs, so this is something to keep in mind for future It is too bad that we won't get battle packs for LOTR but agreeing with what you said before, perhaps in the end that will just give even more value to the "Uruk-Hai Army" and "The Orc Forge" sets. Maybe even a little to the "Uruk-Hai with ballista" polybag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcarin Posted March 11, 2013 Author Share Posted March 11, 2013 It is too bad that we won't get battle packs for LOTR but agreeing with what you said before, perhaps in the end that will just give even more value to the "Uruk-Hai Army" and "The Orc Forge" sets. Maybe even a little to the "Uruk-Hai with ballista" polybag. Which is good in my opinion. The only thing I am in fear of is that they will ''cancel'' LOTR line after 2nd wave, which is unlikely but possible, with words that it did not perform as good as LEGO aimed at and with fact that 3rd Hobbit movie is released barely 6 months after 2nd which leaves ''0'' room for 3rd wave before Hobbit hits. So will we have.. LOTR line 1 Hobbit line 1 LOTR line 2 Hobbit line 2 then Hobbit line 3 LOTR line 3? or: LOTR line 1 Hobbit line 1 LOTR line 2 Hobbit line 2 then Hobbit line 3 Hobbit line 4 (no LOTR) or: LOTR line 1 Hobbit line 1 LOTR line 2 Hobbit line 2 then LOTR line 3(when 3rd movie of Hobbit hits) Hobbit line 3 at X-max Maybe I am just thinking too much but fact that movie 3 is released 6 months after makes me worried for LOTR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkness Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 The third movie has been pushed back and will be released at the same time of the year as the others Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOrcKing Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 It is too bad that we won't get battle packs for LOTR but agreeing with what you said before, perhaps in the end that will just give even more value to the "Uruk-Hai Army" and "The Orc Forge" sets. Maybe even a little to the "Uruk-Hai with ballista" polybag. Which is good in my opinion. The only thing I am in fear of is that they will ''cancel'' LOTR line after 2nd wave, which is unlikely but possible, with words that it did not perform as good as LEGO aimed at and with fact that 3rd Hobbit movie is released barely 6 months after 2nd which leaves ''0'' room for 3rd wave before Hobbit hits. Maybe I am just thinking too much but fact that movie 3 is released 6 months after makes me worried for LOTR. I would be worried as to how things will pan out, myself. My optimism would hope that LEGO did a full trilogy of waves for each side of the coin. The end of this year and the beginning of the next will be an interesting one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOrcKing Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 The third movie has been pushed back and will be released at the same time of the year as the others Oh really? Hmm.... So much for speculation, haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcarin Posted March 11, 2013 Author Share Posted March 11, 2013 The third movie has been pushed back and will be released at the same time of the year as the others Really? Can we get some source? Last time I read was June/July or something close to that This would be (kinda) wonderful news for LEGO part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen_rockefeller Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Jeebus.........apparently LOTR is more popular than I suspected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOrcKing Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Jeebus.........apparently LOTR is more popular than I suspected. ....Ya think? Great work detective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkness Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Really? Can we get some source? Last time I read was June/July or something close to that This would be (kinda) wonderful news for LEGO part. http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/02/28/the-hobbit-there-and-back-again-release-date/ The news is nearly two weeks old :p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcarin Posted March 11, 2013 Author Share Posted March 11, 2013 http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/02/28/the-hobbit-there-and-back-again-release-date/ The news is nearly two weeks old Yeah I am sure it is, but I dont really check those news every few weeks, more like every few months. I am quite busy and with so much info my head might explode :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOrcKing Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 I am quite busy and with so much info my head might explode I can so relate. Sometimes the data overload makes me feel like this guy.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brickmythic Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 9472-1: Attack On WeathertopQuestions are: Only time we see Nazgul? I doubt it, Merry? possible (but there is still pelennor) I think this set might actually do rather bad. It might just be cheapest set to get 7 Nazgul but that will be it. i expect it to not increase much over the next year (after EOL) so unless you got heavy discount (30%+) I think this will do poor, I skipped it)Because of general investing ideas towards Weathertop were to skip it, I think ts going to do well.Everyone has a handful of Helm's Deep. noone has any Weathertops, and its already sold out in North America. Its a shame really, Weathertop was my favorite in the line,as others have mentioned, just a tad overpriced. $50 usd would have been ace! ($30-37.50 wholesale) LOTR/hobbit sets seem to be rotating pretty fast so there could be a collector frenzy with this line if Weathertop performs well.Great thread Alcarin, and I like your Analysis! It will be interesting to see how the theme performs 5 years, a decade down the road. I have a feeling you are probably spot on with your predicitons. (haha except for weathertop)Early retired sets and polybags from the first Lord of the Rings wave could be 'grail' collector items! Lotr fans are seriously into this Lego stuff!! almost fanatical. its crazy. the best sets are yet to come! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteboy02 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 I picked the Orc Forge because of the light up brick and it's hard to find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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