get a room so much love.  so much cider and rum.

if ye have no faith in red5, i don't know what you can believe in anymore.

you could believe in santa, but that hasn't been working out to well for lego "investors".

Edited January 8, 20169 yr by cladner

I actually do have faith in it and was a big promoter of it

I do not have the huge faith I once had but I do have faith

I am just conflicted like Kylo Ren on it

however it is hard to be happy positive Trek on all things Legowith thousands upon thousands of additional investors coming on board

and for me to say that ...

that is saying something ....

Over the pond, this set is still selling but the power sellers came into the game quicker than I had anticipated so it is likely going to be pegged back at 300-340 euros for a while now. This means there will be a convergence with Tumbler and ToO. Kudos to those who made the most of the big kick in the first 2 weeks after retirement.

I guess that in the US, it will take time for the QF´s to run out of stock so growth like in Europe won´t happen till later on this year.

Yeah its settled here at £300 for now, I do think there are quite a few people selling the discounted ones they got or others taking the £90ish a set. I'd guess a month or so before any movement on this.

 

It´s all about the discount buy-in sellers clearing inventory right now and there will be A LOT of them to clear - same as with DS and TH back in the day.

Funny how you can change the name of the set but the result is the same.

Edited January 8, 20169 yr by valenciaeric

I can see the 10240 going for about € 300 on the dutch site www.marktplaats.nl 

5 hours ago, valenciaeric said:

It´s all about the discount buy-in sellers clearing inventory right now and there will be A LOT of them to clear - same as with DS and TH back in the day.

Funny how you can change the name of the set but the result is the same.

yes, ive seen this behaviour on many recently-retiered sets...tumbler, ds, red5, (atat, isd), ...

I really don't understand the people that are expecting this to provide "good money" when the set hasn't even had a retirement tag yet.  Jeez.

6 hours ago, valenciaeric said:

It´s all about the discount buy-in sellers clearing inventory right now and there will be A LOT of them to clear - same as with DS and TH back in the day.

Funny how you can change the name of the set but the result is the same.

It's the Post Retirement Quick Flip, or PRQF  

23 minutes ago, Haay said:

It's the Post Retirement Quick Flip, or PRQF

Great! Another acronym!

Edited January 8, 20169 yr by lazuli16

21 minutes ago, lazuli16 said:

Great! Another acronym!

Don't we just LOVE our acronyms here?  

10 hours ago, trekgate502 said:

yep I remember when I was a kid and went to an actual savings and loan bank and put money in with my dad and got 5% interest

big stuff at the time

We still get that sort of thing going on here but it is more for the customer of advancing years.

I remember my grandfather takking his book in once a year to get it 'made up' and have all of the interest added.

Interest? That's all very 2009!!

 

4 hours ago, Haay said:

Don't we just LOVE our acronyms here?  

What does LOVE stand for?

5 hours ago, torville1976 said:

We still get that sort of thing going on here but it is more for the customer of advancing years.

I remember my grandfather takking his book in once a year to get it 'made up' and have all of the interest added.

Interest? That's all very 2009!!

 

If I could get 5% interest on a FDIC insured account (I was getting 5.75% in 2008 -- sigh), I'd stop investing in lego right then and there.  A risk-free 5% with no time spent packing and shipping?  Sign me up.

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everyone, please continue to treat each other with respect.  ...and for the love of LEGO, stop calling each other out.

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When in need, think of these guys...

Great! I musta unsubscribed this thread & missed everything...

25 minutes ago, exciter1 said:

When in need, think of these guys...

So these are the mods. 

Hello there, mods!

12 minutes ago, dcdfan said:

Great! I musta unsubscribed this thread & missed everything...

nothing here to see but a great set to build and possibly invest in.

9 minutes ago, legone3 said:

So these are the mods. 

Hello there, mods!

That's me, tongue is out, I can't help it.

32 minutes ago, jaisonline said:

nothing here to see but a great set to build and possibly invest in.

And puppies.  Don't forget the puppies.

17 hours ago, Alpinemaps said:

I agree - this set hasn't done well for investors because of the market.  If I were a buyer, I'd buy it from Lego or anywhere else for RRP, before turning to a reseller.  Even when it was out of stock, it was only temporarily out of stock, with a date on it.

For investors, this set will do just for.  For QFLL'ers, who flipped when it went OOS, I'm sure they did okay.

Average price over the last year is $236.  That's about what I would expect for a set that is still in production, that has no discount available to it.

Stay or go - it doesn't really matter.  But let's be realistic about expectations.

The set is not still in production, though.  It has been sold out on LEGO Shop at Home for at least four months or so.  ToO disappeared around the same time, and is showing a similar lack of growth.

As best I can recall from 2014, literally every retiring exclusive showed about double the growth over MSRP (say, 60% vs. 30%, going by Amazon sales price; this includes free shipping, but that's a constant so the comparison still holds) in the same span of time (measured from last date of availability on LEGO Shop at Home; I'm talking US market here, since I only loosely follow the euro market).

It's not just a question of those two sets.  There is a continuing trend here.  For example, GE is currently $40-$50 below where FB was at the same time last year, and GE actually retired earlier in 2014 than FB did in 2013.

Performance on this side of the pond has been stellar, perhaps because it was very hard to find outside SAH so now it´s gone for good people only have the secondary market to go to. We also had somewhat of the perfect storm with the new mobie hype and Xmas combining with retirement.

I guess that in North America, growth will rapidly catch up with us when this set becomes impossible to find and is officiallly announced as retired.

Edited January 8, 20169 yr by valenciaeric

34 minutes ago, GhostDad said:

The set is not still in production, though.  It has been sold out on LEGO Shop at Home for at least four months or so.  ToO disappeared around the same time, and is showing a similar lack of growth.

 

Red 5 sold out at shop at home on 10/15/2015 so we're not even at 3 months yet. 

Red 5 was available at amazon until early November.  My last 2 from amazon shipped on 11/3/2015.  

So now we're talking  just over 2 months since its been available from a retailer for MSRP.

TOO has been showing up on amazon as recently as 10 days ago.

Let's keep the facts straight.

 

46 minutes ago, GhostDad said:

The set is not still in production, though.  It has been sold out on LEGO Shop at Home for at least four months or so.  ToO disappeared around the same time, and is showing a similar lack of growth.

That's not true though.  Last production run that we know of was week 41.  So while it may not be in production anymore, it was very recently that it was taken out of production.

More importantly, though, is your assertion that it's been sold out for at least four months.  Look back over the last 11 pages of this topic - people were reporting it in store as late as Christmas week, which was only two weeks ago.

 

This quote is mine from the beginning of November:

My Lego Store had 41R5 codes on their Red 5s today.

Here are a small sample of others.  There could be more from more recently...I just stopped at December 22:

On November 15, 2015 at 0:01 AM, cladner said:

41R5 is the same code that people have been reporting since October.  All the Red5s I obtained recently from amazon have been 41R5.  It's actually encouraging to me that there isn't something more recent on the shelves of the LEGO store.  Put the Cristal on some ice.  32 days 21 hours, 55 minutes til lift off.

 

On November 16, 2015 at 6:02 PM, chubz said:

just picked up 2 red 5 x-wing

37r5

41r5

 

On December 1, 2015 at 10:59 AM, solidpro17 said:

should I buy these? there's 3 at local Lego store

 

On December 4, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Haay said:

 

On December 17, 2015 at 2:07 PM, valenciaeric said:

It´s now in stock at SAH - like PS it just wont go away and 2015 retirement now looks less and less likely for both

 

On December 19, 2015 at 9:17 AM, brickcrazyhouse said:

still available in MD B&M

 

On December 22, 2015 at 2:19 PM, LahH001 said:

Picked one up at my local Lego store in London at the weekend.  They had quite a few on the shelves.