

Kesh
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Well, that means I have 80 Euro's extra to buy me something nice!
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These 2. Well... the Ferrari was actually built 2 weeks ago, but three pieces were "missing", in the sense that they were either the wrong color, or replaced by another piece of (I guess) approximately the same weight. New box, bought online from Lego with double VIP. It's been a while since I encountered a sealed box with missing parts. The replacements arrived yesterday, so finally I could finish it. Looks better in real life than on pictures. Too bad of the visible blue technic pins. Have to have a look at that sometime. And then there is Rey's speeder that I actually fixed a bit (IMNSHO). I don't fancy stud shooters, the front grille looked too square to me, and there were too many studs on top. So I experimented a bit.
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If one would have to buy the perspex, at 3mm that would cost at least 70 Euros I think, assuming the bottom is also perspex. I just looked up the prices of some online shop: about 30 Euro's per m2 for 3 mm 'budget' transparent plexiglass. But 3mm is rather thin for the top if you would like to use that as some sort of table. I think that it should be at least 5mm then... when glued. Even thicker when screwed, as using screws is less strong than glueing. If just used as a display case this is fine I guess. Prices for perspex are more or less linear with the amount of material. Plexiglass, perspex, and acrylic are all the same thing by the way. Note that this is also 'just plastic', just like Lego.
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No, but I did order some plexiglass and glue some time ago and built a box for the slave I. Worked out pretty well. I was surprised how sturdy it turned out. I figure that it should be possible to create a completely transparent table with some thicker sheets and some short plexiglass pipes for the feet. Well, if you do not mind spending some time on that. You can order all this stuff at the right sizes so you do not have to worry about making clean straight cuts.
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Well, maybe they should see my versions, because these are even more unique. :-)
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Well, I am basically a builder and I am more interested in the design than having the original box. So I bricklinked Falling water, and while I was at it I changed the color scheme a bit so that it looks more like the real thing. Cost me slightly more than 100 Euros. There are no special bricks in it. I suspect that the general price of Lego bricks puts a cap on how much you can ask for a set like this. Well, maybe there are enough collectors that really want the unopened original box.
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Well, I took a detour via Oberhausen and decided to buy the bus. I figured it's a nice box for my star wars minifigs. :-) Also saw the Falcon on display. Man... you can't really imagine how huge this is until you see it in real life. Impressive. Of course the shop did not have any. I am going to wait. Seeing it in real life really makes me wonder even more where to put it. Heard parents mumble things like... pfff 800 Euros. The kids in the shop were actually more interested in other sets. I guess that is was pretty obvious to them that this is not a playset. Well... having no speed limit on the highway is also an attraction once in a while.
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Yes, I had a similar experience with ordering the Saturn V. I ordered on June 1st. Estimate was June 21 if I remember correctly. Got it on June 9. Well, I don't want to inflict any false hope, but that is what happened.
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Unlike Lando and his cape...
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It defies logic. I guess it is basically fear.
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Well... this started out with the question why 10179 is so expensive. And then my 'opponent' said (please correct me if I am wrong) that it was not rare. I am not concerned with the technicalities of selling it. And we all have different reasons why we might like this set. But saying that it is not rare... I find odd. Well, maybe this is me being a non-native speaker having some weird interpretation of some definition. If so, sorry about that. And other than that I think that this discussion is not that interesting for most people here. Concerning the change of topic: as long as we do not know Lego's sales that's kind of hard to establish. I think that it is in Lego's interest to give the impression that this set is hard to get, and in particular that this set is a good investment. (as that may be the thing that you are going to tell to your wife when you buy this)
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Well, I liked it. Now if anyone thinks... hey... isn't this this set that one can sell for a huge profit.... they might stumble upon this and not get burned.
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Well, why wouldn't the entire world be the potential audience for the inventory, if we are talking about the possibility that anyone can buy volumes of 10179 in seconds? The fact is that the chance that you encounter someone with this set by accident are in the order of 1:100,000. The chance that you encounter someone with an iPhone are much, much higher. There are probably more people with a Rolex than with a 10179. You are talking about supply and demand. Rarity has nothing to do with inventory. Complete sun eclipses are also a rarity. Anyone can buy volumes of 10179? Right. I live in Holland. Some 17,000,000 people here. I think that there are maybe 20 offered on various sites together. Suppose that there are 10 people interested, then they can all buy 2. Provided they have the money. Tell me about logic. Edit: Correction: Inventory does have something to do with rarity, they are just not the same thing. Cause and effect, that sort of thing.
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Hmmm... To be honest... I heard or read that number somewhere, and it somehow got stuck in my mind. It was more? Interesting. Well 40,000 would still not make this set ubiquitous. This was about the old set. But okay... lets say that 60k satisfies current demand, and production stops after 4 years or so. If indeed the old set was also produced in higher numbers I would expect that history is going to repeat itself at least to some extend. Unless production is going to hum along of course.
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20,000 copies means that 1 in about 375,000 can have it, worldwide. Not sure what your definition is, but I call that rare. And even so, if I remember correctly, it took Lego between 2007 and 2010 to sell them all. It's only after that, that they became really desirable. I think that the analogy with the van Gogh paintings in terms of what something is worth is perfectly valid.
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I am not so sure about your statement that it is only speculators that care about how rare a set is. In the end everybody is more or less susceptible to status, and having a rare unobtainable object displayed in your house provides that. If you have such a thing in your house you are not necessarily a speculator. It is very difficult to establish why anybody has interest in some object. In particular in this period of hype and the speculation going on with the old model. The nice thing about a van Gogh painting is that the original designer is no more. If you care about status that is. If you just like the design, you can get a poster or maybe some painting-by-number box if you want some "building experience". And I am not quite sure whether a lot of buyers now think they are buying a van Gogh, and after a few months realise that they have put this painting-by-number thing on display.
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I guess with just 20,000 copies, things can be pretty ugly before they cripple market demand. All I can say is that 10179 was apparently greatly desired by more than 20,000 people worldwide. But without such a limit, well... hard to say, really. I do not know what targets Lego has set for itself and when they consider the new Falcon a succes. Maybe they consider it a success if it crashes their website on day one and everybody talks about that. I do know however that I do not really care whether the thing is rare. I care how it looks, and whether I can display it somewhere. And then price just has to be somewhat in line with normal brick prices. You see, I am in the market for 75192, but I was not in the market for 10179 because it was far too expensive to get my hands on. So we are talking about different markets, and it is hard to tell whether they get crippled by the same thing or not.
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Yep. Well, I am a builder, and not a flipper. In Holland this set costs €850. In Germany it costs €800. In Great Britain it costs £650, which translates to about €700 I think. I recently bought the buildable scout trooper + speeder for €18 in some local shop, while that set is fairly new. Some older SW sets are now sold at a 50% discount in that same shop. There is no way that I am going to pay the full €850 for the MF in the Dutch online Lego shop with that pricing scheme, even though I do not know whether it will ever hit a local shop over here, let alone it gets discounted by 50%, or even 20%. I live close to the German border. Worst case I will drive to the Lego shop in Oberhausen. A trip back and forth will cost me less than 10 Euros of diesel, and maybe I will buy some other sets there too. I would expect that ordering online would be the most profitable for Lego. Maybe I am wrong. They are certainly not making that option attractive to me with their pricing model. Well, there are other things that are beyond me. I recently did buy a set at the online Lego shop. It was just 1 cent short for free shipping. So I ordered a 10 cent brick as well. And guess what... both got sent separately with DHL, just one day apart. I had to sign for delivery of the 10 cent brick. If that is still profitable for them, I would advise them to make online orders a bit more attractive for customers in the Benelux, price-wise. Heck, I could fly to London for the price difference.
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Wondering about this. We have seen a peak, similar to selling concert tickets. IF you are able and willing to spend 800 dollars/Euro's then you probably have no reason to wait any longer given the situation with the old set. I wonder how many AFOLs want this set and did not try to get it yet, and how many tried and failed. The fact that a few idiots are willing to spend an insane amount on this set on ebay is not really relevant. Then the question is whether this set will remain hot once everybody realises that it is not that exclusive, despite its price. It is of course eye-catching because of its size, but it is a grey a piece of junk by nature, and people are going to wonder where to put it. Possibly even when it is discounted. And that last question is going to hunt them even more for every new set of this size. iPhones do not have this problem. And then we should compare that to the number of kids that get some more affordable set to play with, once in a while or regularly.
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Hmmm... the old one has more of this... je ne sais quoi....hunk of junk quality.
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No, we do not have to pay that. It is €799 in Germany and about £650 in London. There are worse reasons to plan a short trip over there. You can actually have some fun doing so. (I live about 5km from the German border, so for me this is basically a no-brainer... I must admit that I have a hard time understanding Lego's pricing model).